What happens when the church space you helped create and cultivate is not hospitable and inclusive of those in your own family with neurodivergent minds? Deb Gregory shares her story of traversing liminal spaces from her childhood into her professional career and how Ignatian spiritual practices have helped “moor” her to her faith and family.


Deb is a spiritual director, former documentary filmmaker and church planter, and the founder of Flourish Contemplative Center. She is also the producer and host of the Betwixt Podcast. Having spent much of her life in transit, Deb enjoys the slow growth of roots with her family in Ormond Beach, FL.


Where she enjoys listening with you: Flourish Spiritual Direction

Where you can enjoy listening with her: Betwixt Podcast


Time Stamps for the episode:

00:48 Introductions

02:50 What is Liminal Space Anyways?

06:37 Living in two worlds, belonging to neither

11:35 Where is home?

14:25 Faith roots, paradoxes, and contradictions

18:49 Lack of common spaces to hold paradox

22:08 Deconstruction as expected season of faith

27:17 Liminal seasons built into the liturgical calendar

32:39 Making space for folks in liminality

38:47 Neurodiversity and Disability in the church

44:26 Ignatius taking a cannonball to the knee

50:11 Ignatian spirituality 101

55:53 Ignatian practices

1:01:19 Pastors in liminal seasons

1:05:42 Inscape: the particular beauty of this moment

1:09:37 Conclusions


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