Paul Verhoeven’s Elle (2016) is probably the hardest movie we had to talk about. It is a complex movie with very heavy subject matter. It’s a challenge to define the characters and their motives as confidently as the movie presents itself. But we knew it was a movie we had to get out of our system somehow. For my mother especially it was a major experience that ended helping her with her own life.

In our talk we, among other topics, try our luck with analysing the characters and events, share thoughts on Paul Verhoeven and Isabelle Huppert and at the end I describe to my mother a fan theory that could turn the whole movie upside down.