Life on the Swingset - The Swinging & Polyamory Podcast

#401 - Kissing is Taboo Again? - Elevator Speeches & Safety

How did kissing become so complicated... again? Swinger culture still features a choice, to kiss or not to kiss, that other non-monogamous folk don't usually make. These days, the stakes around kissing are higher, and that's complicated things as simple as kissing to say hello . Ginger, Prof, Tonia, Dylan, Lunabelle, Tonya, and Tyler get together to talk about their Elevator Speeches, and whether kissing is taboo again!     Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts,...

#400 - ReEmergence

Dylan, Ginger, Tonia, and Prof get back together to properly toast Life on the Swingset's 400th episode! The crew invites back Lunabelle, Tyler, and Tonya, and welcomes D into the fold to discuss ReEmergence and discovering intimacy… again. The crew discusses what returning to normal might look like during a time … very much not normal. D, and Lunabelle share what emerging and finding their people and their communities in the midst of the pandemic feels like, while Tyler and Tonya talk ab...

SS 399: We Go Meta on Swinging and Making the Sausage... and talk Sex Toys - from Friday Night Delights from February 5th, 2021

Ginger, Prof, Tonia, and Dylan get together on a normal Friday in February 2021 to plan a podcast about swinging… and almost fall into the trap of talking about swinging. Swingset gets meta, discussing swinging as a verb, swinger as a noun, new england accents, and …talking about Sportsheets and sex toys and restraints. a lot.   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release a...

SS 398: Swingset as a Place... with Princess Vi

Princess Vi and I talk about what it means to build pop-up inclusive, welcoming, and sex friendly communities, and we wander about discussing what goes into that secret sauce… and what it feels like when you get it right, and … when you don't have it. *** EMBED CODE FOR PODCAST FROM LIBSYN GOES HERE YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD *** Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an epi...

SS 397: ...and at least one amorous bird on this resort. - Swingset Takes Desire 2022, Part 2

Continuing on from Part 1 of our live podcast on our trip in Cancun, Ginger initiates a tonal shift, Keeley makes sure everyone knows that more than gang bangs happen, Cooper talks about birds, Prof shares more deep thoughts, Tonia shares joy while serving the people, Ginger makes sure everyone knows that gang bangs happen, and Dylan continues to insult the audience. Multiple audience members share their passionate and heartfelt resort experiences with everyone.     Help support Life...

SS 396: ...what sets us apart, brings us together. - Swingset Takes Desire 2022, Part 1

Swingset is a place, at least that's how we think of it today. We created the Swingset Community for the tenth time at Desire Resort in Cancun, QR, MX, and gathered our attendees to listen to Keeley, Cooper, Ginger, Tonia, Ryan AKA The Professor, and Dylan get together and talk about the trip up until Friday and many… many other things. Set and Setting. The Tepid Tub! Indiana Cooper? Co-Creation. Indomnitable Joy. Consent Violation. Rupture Repair. Community Support Gloryholes. We talk ab...

SS 395: The Trouble with Tribbing, a Sexy Story Share

Ginger, The Professor, Mike Joseph, Tonia, and Dylan get together for a Friday Night Delights recorded on June 25th to share some sexy stories and talk about growing relationships and sharing managing multiple identities, Also… big gong energy and tribbing.   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will get you invited to a private...

SS 394: Camp Swingset Live! - At the Half-Baked Homestead

Tonia and Dylan sat down at the Half-Baked Homestead, lovingly put together by Rapunzel, Colin, and Oengus, to talk about what Swingset gatherings mean (if anything) and what we try to do when we put temporary community together. Talk touches on current events – the attack on trans familities rights to exist, a post roe v. wade world, and community relations at their fracture points come up prominently… but talk about accepting and appreciating joy without apologizing for it, and the plea...

SS 393: Swingset Takes Desire 2021 LIVE in Cancún!

SS 392: Personal Stories on Changing Intimacy Over the Last Two Years - A Friday Night Delights Conversation with Catherine

We continue the conversation from SS 388: The Power of Witness in Relationship Therapy, by sliding into how intimacy has changed over the last couple of years. Dylan, Ryan, and Ginger continues to welcome Catherine of Expansive Connection while Tonia joins in on the fun! Also… more love for Gestalt therapy!     Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Pa...

SS 391: The Desire Mid-Week Check-In, featuring Co-Hosts Mike Joseph and Keeley!

We made it to Desire in 2021 and decided to take the temperature of the room… the very, very hot room that we couldn't turn the air conditioning on in because it would have ruined the recording environment. Cooper, Dylan, and Tonia along with guest co-hosts Mike Joseph and Keeley get together and check in with each other, and the attendees, and see what being in Desire in these trying times means to them.   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live pa...

SS 390: "Things can be messy, but things don't have to be toxic."

With this episode, we emerge from our reduced pandemic release schedule where our focus was on virtual Swingset community events to connect and sustain us through challenging times, and refocus on the podcast. We invited Eve, Marissa, Celeste, Rose, and Melanie with an intimate conversation about navigating toxic relationships. We're grateful for these five courageous humans for sharing their stories and wisdom so that we can learn from their experiences. -Ginger Bentham -Dylan Thomas ...

SS 389: Nerdy Banter with Simone and Malcolm – The Pragmatist’s Guide to Sexuality

Join Dylan, Ryan aka Prof, and Ginger in a nerdy discussion about sexuality data and human behavior. Simone and Malcolm Collins, the authors of The Pragmatist’s Guide series, take to the Swingset to talk all manner of intriguing and confounding sexiness. Leave us a comment on this post or at [email protected] or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464).   If you've ever listened to us and loved us and enjoyed our guests, or even shaken your fist at us… we ask you t...

SS 388: The Power of Witness in Relationship Therapy with Catherine

Join Dylan, Ryan, and Ginger as they host Catherine of Expansive Connection. Catherine offers her perspective on relationship therapy and her Power of Witness experience. It can be a challenge for those in polyamorous, open, and multipartnered relationships to find qualified helping professionals who not just tolerate nontraditional relationships, but elevate and celebrate the strengths of those who opt in for creative relationships. The crew talks therapy, truth-telling, and they share per...

SS 387: Euretic Consent with Shawn Coleman and Kevin Patterson

Shawn Coleman and Kevin Patterson join Ginger Bentham, Ryan Bentham, and Dylan Thomas, to discuss consent. They talk practicing consent in every day life. “Consent has to exist in our every day lives and not just be a concept in the legal system.” The concept of euretic consent, a term Shawn Coleman has offered the world, is a concept “literally made for this time, this experience, this revolution that we're going through… that invites us to reevaluate our boundaries and our relationshi...

SS 386: Thank You Betty Dodson – On Bodysex and More – Friday Night Delights – 2020-08-14 (Part 2)

Tonia, Dylan, Ryan the Prof, and Ginger unwind with the Swingsetters after a busy workweek to delight in the Delights on a Friday night for an eclectic array of conversations. Ginger gets on a roll sharing about her double mastectomy and DIEP flap reconstruction, and then doubles (heh) down to worship Betty Fucking Dodson and Bodysex.   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we r...

The Shame of Desire, the Consideration of Risk – Friday Night Delights

Ginger, Tonia, Ryan aka Prof, and Dylan get together for a night of Friday Night Drinking and Delights and accidentally have a deep conversation about desire, shame, selfishness, risk-aware relative to sex and COVID-19, exposure networks and the complication of the return of feelings of jealousy and selfishness, but not before engaging in discussion on: rgb lighting… from the inside jalapenos, easy-tear vinyl gloves, and nitrile gloves period euphemisms uv sterilization… of the vagin...

A is for Adequate – Friday Night Delights with Cooper, Bradford, and Angela – 2020-06-26

Shame kinks. Pubic hair. Quarantine Partners. Australia. We're covering all our bases today with Ginger Bentham, Dylan Thomas, Cooper S. Beckett, The Professor, and Angela and Bradford from the By the Bi podcast!   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will get you invited to a private chat with other Swingsetters, and give you the ...

SS 383: Black and Poly in These Times

Ruby Johnson LCSW takes over Life on the Swingset and brings Dr. Justin Clardy, Thomas of wearibukun.com and Vision By Thomas,  Charita Marie, and Jhen from the Monogamish Podcast to offer their experiences being black and polyamorous in the midst of covid and the uprising.   You can find Ruby Johnson LCSW on Twitter and Instagram and information about Poly Dallas Millenium on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and at polydallasmillenium.com You can find Dr. Justin Clardy on Twitter, Instag...

Black and Poly in These Times

Ruby Johnson LCSW takes over Life on the Swingset and brings Dr. Justin Clardy, Thomas of wearibukun.com and Vision By Thomas,  Charita Marie, and Jhen from the Monogamish Podcast to offer their experiences being black and polyamorous in the midst of covid and the uprising.   You can find Ruby Johnson LCSW on Twitter and Instagram and information about Poly Dallas Millenium on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and at polydallasmillenium.com You can find Dr. Justin Clardy on Twitter, Instag...

My Damn Gangbang Got Cancelled By COVID - Friday Night Delights - 2020-04-17

It's clear from Life on the Swingset reviews that the first episode people listen to greatly shape opinions about the show. If this is your first, getting angry over gangbangs being cancelled, talking about Con Air (the movie) and hair dye is par for the course. Enjoy listening to Dylan Thomas, Ginger Bentham, Ryan Bentham, and Lunabelle on another edition of Friday Night Delights. The entry point is key.     Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on liv...

COVID-19 and STI Stigma, with Ella Dawson - Friday Night Delights - 2020-05-22

Ella Dawson joins Ginger, the Professor, and Dylan to discuss reactions to people with / without COVID-19, and how it may affect public discussion surrounding STIs and stigma surrounding people living with STIs. Ella Dawson gave a TEDx Talk about how STIs aren't a consequence, they're inevitable.   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your ...

An Edible Sized Multiorgasmic Nonejaculatory Minisode – Friday Night Delights – 2020-04-10 (Part 2)

Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will get you invited to a private chat with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings, and listen to episodes commercial free, and with outtakes!   Leave us a comment on this post or at [email protected] or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING ...

A Sensual Snowball Behind My Back – Friday Night Delights 2020-04-10 (Part One)

Another night in April, another Friday Night Delights! Dylan, Ginger, and The Professor get together and talk butt stuff, pins in clits, drinks and edibles, and somehow find ways to come to profound understandings of each other in the current context of the world. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will get you invited to a privat...

The Hangover - The Krazy Winter Nights Steakhouse Postshow

Dylan, Cooper, Ryan, and Ginger found their way out into the frozen landscape of Omaha in January in search of meat, tantalizing steaks that is. During this Swingset field trip during Krazy Winter Nights, the foursome relaxes into a feast paired with cocktails and delicious conversation. Recording on location at the steak house means just like there is always a swing available on the Swingset, there is a seat for you at the table. Cheers! Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make p...

Don't Invest in the Rest, Invest in... the Sex. Also Malört. - Friday Night Delights – 2020-04-03, Part 3

Our April 3rd Friday Night Delights with the Swingset has proven quite fertile. Mr. and Mrs. H (@BedHoppersUK) sign off after fucking while podcasting while Tonia (@tonia_swingset) signs on.  Dylan (@DylantheThomas / @[email protected]), Lunabelle (@Ninjasexology) and Bradford, Angela, and Ian the Gentlemen (@BytheBiPodcast) reminisce about good times at Desire 2019 (and a desire for a 2020), the purity of Kentucky straight(?) bourbon, event organizing and people who run and pr...

SS 377: Shaving with Straight Razors and Podcasting HARDER, Friday Night Delights – 2020-04-03, Part 2

Our April 3rd Friday Night Lights with the Swingset episode continues featuring Dylan Thomas, Mr. and Mrs. H (The Bedhoppers), Angela, Bradford and Ian (By the Bi), and Lunabelle. Out of this group of seven, one and a half adults appear. “GO ON, PODCAST HARDER” – Mr. H   “It's my goal to get married couples fighting.” – Dylan Thomas   “I shave my balls every week.” – Mr. H “With a straight razor!” – Bradford “Actually I like to use a bi razor.” – Ian, The Gentlemen “I thought bi ...

The British Commonwealth Bidet Invasion - Friday Night Delights - 2020-04-03

Today's episode was recorded live in front of a Patron supporter live audience! As part of our Friday Night Delights series, Mister and Mrs H, Angela, Bradford, and Ian The Gentlemen joined Dylan for an accidental pre-show for our regularly scheduled Friday Night Delights episode on April 3rd, 2020. It's possible we've hit peak anus, Enjoy!   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each...

Connection and Love During Unprecedented Times - Friday Night Delights with the Swingset

Ginger Bentham and Dylan Thomas get together with Swingset patrons to connect about connection, both with the people around us and in our communities. In uncertain times, we're making changes to keep ourselves and others safe from COVID-19 while still finding ways to be human to each other… and kind to ourselves. They also get high and discuss the inflation in the dick and fart joke economy.   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows...

Unf_ck Your Polyamory with Dr. Liz and Kevin Patterson

Dylan and Ginger host Kevin Patterson and Dr. Liz Powell to discuss their new educational project: Unf_ck Your Polyamory. Whether it is relating to metamours, balancing time with partners, or communication, communication, communication, sustaining fulfilling polyamorous relationships requires a commitment to personal growth. Kevin and Dr. Liz are here to help!   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar...

Pushing Your Boundaries - Live at Krazy Winter Nights 2020!

Ginger Bentham, Ryan (The Professor) Bentham, Dylan Thomas, and Cooper S. Beckett braved the great white northern territories of Maine and Chicago to travel to the great white northern territory of Omaha, NE to attend Krazy Winter Nights 2020! Their session, Pushing Your Boundaries, featured each member of the Swingset Crew relaying both their early struggles and early triumphs as they spoke about how they've grown over the years by pushing their boundaries… whether they meant to or not. H...

Finding Quality Information About Open Relationships with Emma and Fin

Dylan, Ryan, and Ginger invite Emma and Fin from Normalizing Non-monogamy onto the Swingset to discuss finding quality information about how to open your relationship. When getting started in consensual non-monogamy, it is easy to get overwhelmed by the volume of information available. This discussion includes strategies and advice for finding quality guidance, as well as more than a few cautionary tales.     The Presenting Sponsor of today's episode is One, and if there's anyone that w...

The Whole Damn Preshow - Live before Krazy Winter Nights 2020!

Ginger, Ryan, Dylan, and Cooper get together on Krazy Winter Nights 2020 eve, grab some Denny's, and … a convertrainwreck follows. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will get you invited to a private chat with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings, and listen to episodes commercial free,...

Parenting While Solo Polyamorous and More

Dylan and Ginger invite Lunabelle and Tikva, of Kimchi Cuddles, to talk parenting: what it is like to parent solo when you are polyamorous and what it's like to be solo polyamorous as a parent. Inspired by a listener question, the group dives deeper into the the practicalities and the the lived experience of parenting while open.   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we releas...

A Sex Toy Story

Dylan, Tonia, Ginger, Ryan the Prof, and Lunabelle share their experiences with incorporating sex toys into play. The weird, the intimidating, the playful, and the practical, all have a place in the action if everyone is agreeable. The group talks about when things have gone awry and when the toys made play transcendent. Climb up on the Swingset for a sex toy story! A special thank you to NorCalCouple916 for sending us your orgasm!   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make po...

Gangbang the Mailbag 40: More Action with Bex and Kevin

Bex Caputo and Kevin Patterson join Dylan and Ginger on the Swingset to give perspectives on some listener questions. From sharing you are polyamorous with your partner for the first time, to thoughts for an adventurous “unicorn,” to navigating group sex, these listeners asked and the Swingset answered. And buy Kevin's fantastic new book, “For Hire: Audition.”   Question 1: Lately I've come to terms with the fact that I identify as Bi-curious and polyamorous. I have also been in a mon...

Swingset Takes Desire 8.0, Live at Desire Resort & Spa in Cancún! (re-issue)

A resort full of Swingsetters walks into an oceanside gazebo…as you may imagine chaos and heartfelt moments ensue. Amidst the sea of sexies, Dylan, Ginger, and Cooper reflect on the eighth annual Desire Riviera Maya takeover with one magical night yet ahead. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will get you invited to a private chat...

Gangbang the Mailbag 39 with Bex Caputo and Kevin Patterson

That Swingset mailbag we all know and love was getting pretty full of listener questions. And since there is always a swing available on the Swingset, Dylan and Ginger invited Bex Caputo and Kevin Patterson to share their wisdom. The foursome takes on questions about mono-polyam relationship sustainability, supporting your partner's dating life, and finds time to catch up about some awesome life updates. And buy Kevin's fantastic new book, “For Hire: Audition.”   We answer a listener vo...

Podcast Gangbang in Paradise! (feat. By the Bi and The Bedhoppers)

Dylan, Tonia, Ginger, Ryan, Ophelia, and Cooper arrive early to the gorgeous ocean-side live podcast venue. They host Mr and Mrs H, the Bedhoppers, and Angela and Bradford of the By the Bi podcast for paradise-fueled, freeform, live podcast foreplay. As the gazebo starts to fill with Swingsetters, this large and motley crew discuss the mundane and outlandish with ocean waves in the background. Pull up a seat and join the chaos!   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts...

Dispatches from Desire (Re-Issue)

Dylan, Tonia, Ryan the Prof, and Ginger fall into a few stolen moments on the eighth annual Swingset Takes Desire trip. With the sounds of the ocean and the hot tub in the background, they each take turns waxing philosophical about whatever topic seems to float through their paradise-addled minds. Not quite a bad cast, but close enough to earn the coveted Swingset chaos label. Kick back for a dose of dispatches from Desire.     Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts...

Dispatches from Desire

Dylan, Tonia, Ryan the Prof, and Ginger fall into a few stolen moments on the eighth annual Swingset Takes Desire trip. With the sounds of the ocean and the hot tub in the background, they each take turns waxing philosophical about whatever topic seems to float through their paradise-addled minds. Not quite a bad cast, but close enough to earn the coveted Swingset chaos label. Kick back for a dose of dispatches from Desire.     Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts...

Premature Desirejaculation

Join Dylan, Tonia, Ginger, Ryan (aka Prof), and the Swinger Doc as they storytell and anticipate the eighth Swingset Takes Desire trip. This annual bacchanal brings with it the excitement of anticipation (read: foreplay) and the exhilaration of dreams come true. As reminiscences morph into future possibilities, listen in as desires are laid bare. And really the desires laid bare are the best desires, wouldn't you say?   Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put ...

Keeping the Sexy in Risk Aware Sex

Dylan, Tonia, Ginger, and Ryan (aka Prof) are excited to invite the Swinger Doc back onto the Swingset. As the Swinger Doc says, “Be safe but be sexy!” Stewarding your sexual health and deciding for yourself what risk aware means for you are facets of living in the consensually non-monogamous world. The crew discusses all manner of risk aware sex practices, resisting STI stigma, and helpful communication strategies to keep the sexy in risk aware sex. The crew references the recent Center...

Sustaining Open Relationships Through Life's Challenges (Part Two), Live at #Naughty2019

Dylan, Ginger, and Ryan present live in front of an audience at Naughty in N'awlins for part two of their panel, Sustaining Open Relationships through Life's Challenges. Not your typical swinger convention topic, the trio share their heartfelt stories about loss, health and medical trauma, and facing death. It's not often on the Swingset that the crew shares about such heavy and activating topics, so choose wisely when you cue up this episode, Swingsetters. Yet the vulnerability, rawness, a...

Sustaining Open Relationships Through Life's Challenges (Part One), Live at #Naughty2019

Dylan, Ginger, and Ryan present live in front of an audience at Naughty in N'awlins. Not your typical swinger convention topic, the trio share their heartfelt stories about loss, health and medical trauma, and facing death. It's not often on the Swingset that the crew shares about such heavy and activating topics, so choose wisely when you cue up this episode, Swingsetters. Yet the vulnerability, rawness, and emotion are all a part of this life and therefore a part of open relationships. Li...

Reviews and Riffin'

Dylan and Ginger hang out with the Swingset patrons for a live podcast of reviews, listener questions, and some ridiculousness. Ryan The Professor makes his way into this episode like a wrecking ball to share his thoughts. From solo polyamorous parenting to fluid-bonding, these three climb up on the Swingset to riff. And riff they do. *** EMBED CODE FOR PODCAST FROM LIBSYN GOES HERE YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD *** Tristan Taormino is coming to Desire… are you? Join us from November 2nd through t...

Pushing Your Edge - Personal Growth Through Sexual Adventure, Live at #Naughty2019

Dylan, Ginger, and Cooper presented in front of a live audience at Naughty in N'awlins 2019 about how sexual adventure impacts one's personal growth. Sharing stories, lessons they've learned, and strategies they've employed during their sexual adventuring, the Swingset crew invites you to explore your own personal growth. Pushing your edge and being curious about yourself while sexing can be another facet of the experience along with all the pleasure and fun! *** EMBED CODE FOR PODCAST FRO...

Swingset Origin Stories, Recorded Live at #Naughty2019!

Dylan, Ginger, and Cooper visited New Orleans for Naughty in N'awlins 2019! Among the the sexiness and debauchery, Naughty offers educational sessions and demonstrations, and spaces for panel discussions. in this episode, the Swingset crew relays their origin stories: Where they are, where they were, and how they got there. *** EMBED CODE FOR PODCAST FROM LIBSYN GOES HERE YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD *** Tristan Taormino is coming to Desire… are you? Join us from November 2nd through the 9th this...

The New Swinger Experience! (Reissue)

We all start somewhere in the lifestyle and the Swingset is an ideal place to access that welcoming hand! Dylan and Ginger are joined by two wise, experienced, and fantastically fun couples: Diana and Keiland, party hosts from Dallas Texas, and Tori and Soul of the Torrid Souls podcast. This dynamic discussion covers practical topics such as what to expect from your first party to deeper perspectives exploring race and sexual orientation in consensual non-monogamy. The whole ensemble shares...

The BBW Experience, w/Carly and Ronda

Dylan and Ginger enjoy a conversation with Carly and Ronda about the Big, Beautiful Woman (BBW) experience. In a powerful and vulnerable discussion, Carly and Ronda share their journeys and the source of their personal power. As voluptuous, fat bitches, they generously share their strategies for everyone, especially the BBWs, to navigate the world with the confidence to own the room like they do. Join us in learning from these pretty hot and tempting (PHAT) women!       Would you lik...