Psychiatrist, executive coach, podcast host and 9-time bestselling author Dr. Mark Goulston is back on the podcast for part 2 of his conversation with Nick! If you haven't listened to part 1, be sure to go back and check it out here. Today, Nick and Mark continue their conversation around what it means to be a productive and successful business leader, going deeper on what they talked about in part one as well as introducing a number of new topics.

In this episode, Nick and Mark discuss why people like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are not just leaders, but visionaries—and how they got that way. Mark also provides a simple framework for how managers can develop great working relationships with their employees while also navigating tough conversations with them. But it's not all relegated to business owners and managers! Mark also dishes out some amazing advice for employees to have the best possible performance review with their boss while at the same time uncovering the next steps to advancing their career. And, to top it all off, Mark tells us why he believes "self-discipline" is a terrible concept. Listen to the episode to find out why.