Welcome to the Pandemicene podcast! We welcome you to a conversation with Kim TallBear and Jessica Kolopenuk, two Indigenous scholars at the University of Alberta, Canada. We talk about their Indigenous STS research training program, their upcoming open access class on Indigenous peoples and pandemics, what a “productive embrace of crisis” looks like, and how understanding our relations as kin on earth might help us learn how to live better together on stolen land.