In this episode of "Keen On", Andrew is joined by Nichole Perloth, the author of "This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends", to discuss the potential fate of our species amidst growing concerns of a digitally triggered nuclear Armageddon in the not too distant future.

Nicole Perlroth covers cybersecurity and digital espionage for The New York Times. She has covered Russian hacks of nuclear plants, airports, and elections, North Korea's cyberattacks against movie studios, banks and hospitals, Iranian attacks on oil companies, banks and the Trump campaign and hundreds of Chinese cyberattacks, including a months-long hack of The Times. Her first book, “This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends,” about the global cyber arms race, will publish in February 2021. The book, and several of her Times articles, have been optioned for television.

A Bay Area native, Ms. Perlroth is a guest lecturer at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and a graduate of Princeton University and Stanford University.
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In this episode of "Keen On", Andrew is joined by Nichole Perloth, the author of "This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends", to discuss the potential fate of our species amidst growing concerns of a digitally triggered nuclear Armageddon in the not too distant future.


Nicole Perlroth covers cybersecurity and digital espionage for The New York Times. She has covered Russian hacks of nuclear plants, airports, and elections, North Korea's cyberattacks against movie studios, banks and hospitals, Iranian attacks on oil companies, banks and the Trump campaign and hundreds of Chinese cyberattacks, including a months-long hack of The Times. Her first book, “This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends,” about the global cyber arms race, will publish in February 2021. The book, and several of her Times articles, have been optioned for television.


A Bay Area native, Ms. Perlroth is a guest lecturer at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and a graduate of Princeton University and Stanford University.

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