Writer and podcaster Miranda Reinert joins us to talk about Death Cab For Cutie’s 2005 album Plans. We talk about how it fits into the Death Cab discography, Steely Dan Dads, re-engaging with your teenage earnestness, The Postal Service, Seth Cohen, and more.


Miranda is @mirandareinert. She co-hosts the podcast Endless Scroll and her newsletter Step One Of A Plan is at mirandareinert.com


Alan is @alan_maguire. Juvenalia is his main thing right now.


Andrea  @AndreaCleary_. Her other podcasts are My Favourite Album With Andrea Cleary and The Nialler9 Podcast. Her newsletter is at https://andrea-cleary.ghost.io/


Thank you to Dee McDonnell for our artwork.


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This episode was produced by Alan.


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