Just One Small Thing Podcast for Catholic Parents
143 episodes - English - Latest episode: 7 months ago - ★★★★★ - 188 ratingsJoin us as we strive to do just one small thing for love of our Lord Jesus Christ. Each week Nancy will share about the reality of being a Catholic Parent, and how we are called to strive to raise saints despite the fact that we are a sinner. Often times she will be touching on topics covered on the Catholic Sprouts Podcast that week, in a way that is more geared towards adults.
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J1ST 142: The Eucharist IS the Sacred Heart of Jesus
September 12, 2023 18:55 - 14 minutes - 19.8 MBHey friends! Please enjoy this short episode explaining how the Eucharist IS the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Join us, and let's continue to work to BRING THE EUCHARISTIC REVIVAL HOME!
J1ST 140: Marian Dogman
August 14, 2023 06:00 - 15 minutes - 21 MBExplore with me how I came to know, believe and love the Church’s teaching on Mary! Thank you for listening to the Just One Small Thing Podcast. Tuning in each week means so very much! Want to hear more great Catholic content perfect for the whole family? Make sure to tune in each day to the CATHOLIC SPROUTS PODCAST. https://catholicsprouts.com/catholic-sprouts-podcast/ Looking for a way to support this podcast? Here are some ideas: Say a prayer for us! This would be SUCH a gift! S...
J1ST 139: Dominic and the Rosary
August 07, 2023 15:00 - 22 minutes - 31 MBStorytime! Since we are talking about the saints celebrating their feast days this week, including St. Dominic, I took this opportunity to share my own Dominic/Holy Rosary stories. Both take place in France outside of Toulouse, but they are set about 10 years apart. In part one, I am a solo traveler to rural France where I realize my High School French is 0% helpful and no one there speaks English at all. Through a strange and beautiful prayer exercise in the “green cathedral,” I am in...
J1ST 138: Clubhouse Details
July 31, 2023 06:00 - 23 minutes - 32.5 MBThis week on the Catholic Sprouts Podcast we are exploring what it means to be Catholic. This is an important question to tackle as we build and nurture our identity as Catholics. It is our goal to nurture our identity as Catholics here at Catholic Sprouts, which is why we are launching the CLUBHOUSE today. The CLUBHOUSE is a membership for Catholic kids, and I’m explaining all of the details in this episode. You can learn more and join us (doors open 8-1!) right here: https://catholicspro...
J1ST 137: Saints and the History of the Church
July 24, 2023 06:00 - 20 minutes - 28.8 MBWell, I decided to spill the beans on a project that we have been working on for a long time, and I am hopeful will come into being this fall: a church history book told through biographies of the saints. I have grown frustrated with how many church history books tell history either through secular leaders (like emperors) or heretics. So, we decided to write a history of the church told through the movement of the Holy Spirit as demonstrated through the lives of the saints. This week ...
J1ST 136: Friendship
July 17, 2023 06:00 - 17 minutes - 24.2 MBWe are finally done with all of the CST topics! Yay! From here forward this podcast will be weekly, and will explore, in a more adult way, the topics we are covering on the Catholic Sprouts podcast. The plan is to hit record on this podcast as soon as I finish recording the Catholic Sprouts Podcast, and that is exactly what I did today! So, friendship. I have often felt like I was a “bad friend”, simply because I have been blessed with so many amazing friends! In my rambling way, in th...
J1ST 135: Stewardship of the Land and Animals
July 12, 2023 06:00 - 15 minutes - 21.9 MBThis is the last episode covering the topics of Catholic Social Teaching! Yay!!! Thank you for following along, and I hope you enjoy this last episode. This episode explores the fact that the land and animals are a gift from God, and how amazing that truth is to hold onto as we interact with nature and animals. Also, we become co-workers with God when we plant a seed of care for an animal. I share about how experiencing the death of a beloved animal was so powerful for me, and helped ...
J1ST 134: Racism
July 10, 2023 06:00 - 23 minutes - 32.5 MBThe Church teaches that all people, regardless of race, are created in the image and likeness of God. Also, Christ died and shed His blood for ALL people. Therefore, all people are worthy of love and should enjoy equal rights. Also, we are not called to simply “tolerate” people. We are called to love them. Unfortunately, we all will need to teach very clearly on the issue of race. This came to the front in my family after the murder of Geroge Floyd. We also need to make sure that our c...
J1ST 133: Terrorism
July 05, 2023 06:00 - 14 minutes - 19.8 MBTerrorism is the use of violence against non-military people for political or personal gain. Terrorism attempts to control or change through fear. 9-11 Was the greatest act of terrorism this country has seen, and when our children learn about the events of that day, we need to be clear that terrorism is wrong. However, the Bishops teach that when terrorism occurs, we need to look for causes in our own behavior. Why did this group feel that the only course of action they could take was ...
J1ST 132: War
July 03, 2023 06:00 - 17 minutes - 23.4 MBAs the Church teachers, war is a terrible phenomenon that should be avoided at all costs. To illustrate this, the Church offers us the “Just War Doctrine” something that applies to every few modern conflicts. In order for a war to be “just” it must: Be the result of damage by the aggressor that is lasting, grave and certain. All other means of resolution must have been exhausted There must be a serious prospect of success and peace following the conflict. The war must produce less evil t...
J1ST 131: Dignity of Work and Worker's Rights
June 28, 2023 06:00 - 17 minutes - 24 MBToday’s episode explores the fifth theme of Catholic Social Teaching as laid out by the US Bishops. I am discussing both topics, Dignity of Work and Workers Rights, together in this episode. Above all else, I desire for my children to learn that work has dignity--and this applies to all work: jobs, chores around the house and school work. We are like our Creator when we work, and we are often allowed to be co-creators through our work. Therefore, our work gives us dignity. Also, throug...
J1ST 130: Care for those who are Homeless
June 26, 2023 06:00 - 17 minutes - 24.4 MBAccording to a recent study, up to 3 Million Americans are currently homeless. The US Bishops refer to this as a tragedy, which we are all asked to help remedy. Afterall, as JPII said, a home is not just a roof and four walls. A home is where life takes place, and each human person has a right to a home. In this episode I share my own experience with homelessness, which I witnessed as a teacher for at-risk youth. Modern homelessness often looks like “couch-surfing” and places youth at ...
J1ST 129: Care for those suffering with Drug Addiction
June 21, 2023 06:00 - 20 minutes - 28.3 MBThe fourth theme of Catholic Social Teaching asks us to care also for those addicted to drugs. They too were created in the image and likeness of God and even drug addiction does not remove that dignity. This topic can be hard for many of us as we wrestle with feelings that drug addiction is the addict’s fault and, in a way, it serves them right. This, of course, is not how we are called to treat those suffering with addictions. Teaching about drug addiction, however, gives us a great ...
J1ST 128: Care for Elders
June 19, 2023 06:00 - 19 minutes - 26.5 MBOnce again, we are called to love and care for our elders because all humans, no matter how old or infirmed they may be, are still children of God and because of this filled with a special God-given dignity. Caring for our elders is also part of the 4th commandment. Care for elders also touches on an important Catholic concept: Memento Mori, or our call to remember our death. Often we neglect our elders because their decline reminds us of our own death, and that makes us uncomfortable....
J1ST 127: Care for Those with Disabilities
June 14, 2023 09:00 - 15 minutes - 21.4 MBFor several years Pope Francis has been outspoken about the love and care we should offer those with disabilities, in particular, we need to make sure that those who are disabled have access to the sacraments. This means more than having functional elevators and sign language interpreters. It means welcoming those with sometimes several mental disabilities. The care for those who are disabled is based on the truth that ALL humans are created in the image and likeness of God. Because of...
J1ST 126: Healthcare
June 12, 2023 06:00 - 18 minutes - 25.9 MBHealth Care is the first of five that the US Bishops include in the fourth theme of Catholic Social Teaching: Care for the Poor and Vulnerable. JPII reminds us that we should not only care for the poor, but practice a preference for the poor and vulnerable, as often they need special defending in our world. The Church defends that Healthcare is a basic human right. Since all humans were made in the image and likeness of God we all should have access to life-saving medicine regardless ...
J1ST 125: Freedom of Religion
June 07, 2023 06:00 - 20 minutes - 28.1 MBToday we are tackling the third and final topic in the Rights and Responsibility section of Catholic Social Teaching, as laid out by the USCCB: Freedom of Religion. Following the Second Vatican Council, the Church taught that all people have a right FROM and FOR religion. This means that we can’t force people to be part of a certain religion. It also means that a person can not be hindered or prevented from practicing a certain religion, unless they are endangering or infringing on the...
J1ST 124: Immigration
June 05, 2023 06:00 - 18 minutes - 25.5 MBToday’s discussion dives into Immigration, which the USCCB has placed under the third theme of Catholic Social Teaching: Rights and Responsibilities. Immigration is a tricky topic that is regularly in the news, especially in this moment as Title 42 expires here in the US, and around the world as war engulf the Sudan and many countries are struggling with terrible famines. The USCCB lay out three principles we much keep in mind as we discuss Immigration: Each person has a basic right t...
J1ST 123: Criminal Justice
May 31, 2023 06:00 - 18 minutes - 25.5 MBCriminal Justice is the first topic we are discussing under the third theme of Catholic Social Teaching as laid out by the USCCB. The third theme is called Rights and Responsibilities. In this section we investigate the rights each person is entitled to, simply because they are human and created in God’s own images. But, it is not enough to simply defend our own rights. We also have a responsibility to work to defend the rights of others, especially those who are small, weak, overlooked or a...
J1ST 122: Civic Duty & Political Activisim
May 29, 2023 06:00 - 20 minutes - 27.5 MBThe second theme of Catholic Social Teaching laid out by the USCCB is the call to family and community. Although the topics we have been talking about recently might sound quite different from Civic Duty and Political Activism, they are related. Humans are social beings and we need each other. We are training in the family--the school of love--but at some point we need to go beyond our family and look to the rights of all people. Civic Duty describes the grass-roots activism we are all...
J1ST 121: CST Same Sex Marriage
May 24, 2023 06:00 - 18 minutes - 25.9 MBToday’s discussion will equip you to discuss marriage and same-sex marriage with your children. Too often we think that Homosexuality and (Same-Sex) Marriage are the same topic, but they are not. Here are some important points to keep in mind as you discuss (Same-Sex) Marriage: Marriage is a covenant relationship between a man and a woman ordered toward the creation of children and formation of a family. Marriage benefits society because the family is the best place to raise a healthy and ...
J1ST 120: CST Homosexuality
May 22, 2023 06:00 - 24 minutes - 33.6 MBToday we are discussing an important and emotional topic: Homosexuality. With family and friends living homosexual lifestyles, this will likely be one of the first topics we have to cover with our children (unfortunately) and we need to be ready! A few important things to note on the topics of homosexuality: We need to differentiate between homosexual attraction and homosexual acts. The Church describes homosexual acts as “gravely disordered” because they are outside of natural law....
J1ST 119: CST Divorce
May 17, 2023 06:00 - 17 minutes - 23.7 MBToday we are continuing our discussion of our call to marriage and family, as laid out by the USCCB and discussed in our new book, CATHOLIC SOCIAL TEACHING FOR YOUTH. Divorce is likely the very first topic from this book that you will need to address with your children. That’s how it worked for us! Unfortunately many people we know, both family and friends, have been through divorce, and that is so confusing for kids. In these moments we need to reminds our kids of the following...
J1ST 118: CST Being Open to Life
May 15, 2023 06:00 - 21 minutes - 29 MBIn today’s episode we continue to discuss issues laid out by the USCCB that define our call to marriage and family. This topic specially discusses the use of artificial birth control and why using anything to prevent conceiving a child, inside or outside of marriage, is always wrong. The Church teaches beautifully on this point, specifically through JPII’s Theology of the Body. Sex and marriage demand a total gift of self, and when we use contraception we are refusing to receive anothe...
J1ST 117: CST Sex Outside of Marriage
May 10, 2023 06:00 - 18 minutes - 25.1 MBFor the next several episodes we will be exploring God’s plan for marriage and family and the variety of ways Satan’s lies attack that plan. Today we start with sex outside of marriage. Now, it is important that we don’t just teach the “rule”. Instead we need to share with our children what is good and beautiful. God’s plan for sex is so good! The reason why we know that sex outside of marriage is harmful is because we know what sex is supposed to look like! And sex only makes sense an...
J1ST 116: CST Chastity
May 08, 2023 06:00 - 18 minutes - 25.3 MBAll of Christ’s faithful are called to the virtue of chastity. Chastity allows us to love in an appropriate way everyone that we encounter. Chastity is how we honor God’s plan for our own sexuality and the sexuality of others. Chastity is not just abstinence. In order to be chaste we must make sure that everything we do is pure, from the way we dress to our thoughts and our speech. All people in all vocations are called to live chastely. Even married people must be governed by ch...
J1ST 115: CST Transgenderism
May 05, 2023 06:00 - 18 minutes - 25.2 MBToday we are taking on what is likely the most controversial and emotional topic of our time: Transgenderism. Much has been said about transgenderism and it needs to be noted that they Church has yet to issue an official teaching on this topic. However, using what the Church has already said, let’s explore a Catholic response to this issue, both on the societal level and when it comes up in our personal relationships. First, we must remember that our primary vocation is love, and we m...
J1ST 114: Pornography
May 03, 2023 06:00 - 27 minutes - 37.6 MBToday’s episode of the Just One Small Thing Podcast explores pornography. Pornography is a big deal (despite what society might claim) and it violates the dignity of three different groups of human beings: The actors/models used as objects for the lustful desires of others. The consumer who is settling for a counterfeit of love, when they were made for so much more. The spouse (or future spouse) of the consumer whose relationship is violated and compromised by the use of pornography. ...
J1ST 113: Slavery and Human Trafficking
May 01, 2023 06:00 - 24 minutes - 34 MBIn this episode of the Just One Small Thing Podcast we are exploring slavery and human trafficking and why treating a person as an object and denying the freedom to direct their own life is a sin against the dignity of that human person. A few important points made in this episode: Slavery still exists in the world today. It is more often called human trafficking. Today millions of people are trafficked as domestic servants or sex slaves. What the Bible refers to as “slavery” is more...
J1ST 112: Medical Ethics
April 28, 2023 06:00 - 21 minutes - 30.1 MBLet’s continue our exploration of Catholic Social Teaching as we await the launch of our new book, CATHOLIC SOCIAL TEACHING FOR YOUTH, which will be available sometime in May. Stay tuned! Today’s episode explores the BIG topic of Medical Ethics. Basically, how do catholics decide if a specific medical procedure or treatment is ethical? To this end, the Church has outlined for criteria which we can use to evaluate medicine: The technology must not use one person as an object to benefit...
J1ST 111: Suicide
April 26, 2023 06:00 - 23 minutes - 33.1 MBSuicide is, unfortunately, something that has touched each of our lives. Whether it was a family member, friend, classmate or just someone in our community, we have all felt the deep sadness when someone chooses to take their own lives. Speaking about suicide in the context of Catholic Social Teaching is a bit different than other topics. Where we need to argue that Abortion or the Death Penalty is wrong, everyone (for the most part) understands that suicide is a terrible and desperate...
J1ST 110: CST Euthanaisa
April 24, 2023 06:00 - 25 minutes - 35.8 MBAlthough most of us will not have to deal directly with the issues of Euthanaisa or Doctor Assisted Suicide, other issues that are closely related, like the topics of death, chornic illness and suffering are things we will have to deal with. And, even more importantly, we will have to teach our children about these topics in a way that is life-giving and true to the Catholic Faith. In this episode I share personal stories to help you discover your own stories that will be helpful as yo...
J1ST 109: CST Death Penalty
April 21, 2023 06:00 - 20 minutes - 28.3 MBIn this episode we continue on in our series on Catholic Social Teaching. Today we discuss the 2nd (of 31 topics), the Death Penalty The Death Penalty is interesting because Catholic Social Teaching on this topic has changed! As the world advances and in most places societies have the ability to keep a violent, dangerous person away from the population, the Church no longer sees the use of the death penalty as acceptable, and urges us all to work to eliminate its practice. Again,...
J1ST 108: CST Abortion
April 19, 2023 06:00 - 21 minutes - 29.7 MBToday we are starting on a 31 episode long series that explores ALL of Catholic Social Teaching. We are kicking things off with Abortion. It is my hope that the stories I share here will help you recall and share your own stories as you discuss this important topic with your children. I have no memory of my parents first telling me about abortion. It is just something we always spoke about. I also share my first real encounter with the terrible situation many women are in when they con...
J1ST 107: Catholic Social Teaching Introduction
April 17, 2023 06:00 - 26 minutes - 36.7 MBReady to hear about the BIG project we have been working on the past 2 years?!?!?!? Catholic Social Teaching for Youth is a massive book (with an IMPRIMATUR from the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis) that covers ALL of the sticky moral and social issues we are navigating today. From transgender to abortion to death penalty to workers rights, animal rights, health care, immigration, war, contraception, same sex marriage, pornography…all 31 topics laid out by the USCCB. In today’s...
J1ST 106: Encountering Jesus's Love
March 28, 2023 09:00 - 26 minutes - 36.9 MBThis is the fifth episode in a row where I have been talking about the Sacred Heart of Jesus. All of the episodes leading up to this one have been important, but this one tops them all. Today we will be discussing the incredible way that Jesus loves us. Afterall, at the most basic level, a devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus is an exploration in the love of Jesus Christ. We fall deeper and deeper into this love as we grow closer to Jesus and His heart. In this episode I discuss...
J1ST 105: The Five Obstacles to full Devotion to Jesus and His Heart
March 23, 2023 07:00 - 25 minutes - 35.2 MBThere is still work to do once we leave the confessional. This is a hard truth that I have been learning as I dig deeper into a devotion to Jesus and His Heart. There are actually a lot of things we need to clear away before we can be open to receiving the love of Jesus Christ. In this episode we investigate 5 obstacles that will keep us from being fully united with the Sacred Heart of Jesus. These obstacles include: Lukewarm Faith Selfishness Pride Sinful Desires A Failure to Surrend...
J1ST 104: The Five Parts of a Devotion to Jesus and His Heart
March 21, 2023 07:00 - 26 minutes - 37.1 MBLet’s dive deep into the five key parts of a devotion to Jesus and His Most Sacred Heart. As outlined in this episode, these parts are: Rejection of Sin Faith in Jesus Desire to Love Jesus Development of the Interior Life Total (even Reckless) Trust in God In this episode I look at each of these parts and investigate my own need to be more fully converted. Do I protect myself from even the possibility of sin? Do I believe that Jesus’ will for my life is better than my own will? Do I co...
J1ST 103: Sacred Heart Devotion
March 16, 2023 07:00 - 20 minutes - 28.2 MBExplore with me a few key areas of devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. And, please remember, that most of this has grown out of my own prayer and relationship with Jesus. I hope that you find it helpful, but please don’t be limited by what I share. I’m sure there are many depths which I have not reached. The Eucharist is the Sacred Heart of Jesus. This has been proven through several Eucharistic miracles and been a powerful point of contemplation for me in Adoration each week. ...
J1ST 102: A Developing Relationship with the Sacred Heart of Jesus
March 14, 2023 07:00 - 21 minutes - 30.2 MBMy relationship with the Sacred Heart of Jesus has developed a lot in recent years. For much of my life I didn’t think much of the Sacred Heart. I associated it mostly with what felt like an out-dated devotion and strange Italian-looking versions of Jesus in art. This started to change after I read a biography of Blessed Charles of Austria (https://a.co/d/cWu4ny1). From there I dove head first into this personal devotion. Eventually I developed a personal devotion to the Sacred Heart ...
J1ST 101: Guest Meg Hunter-Kilmer aka Hobo for Christ and Praying for your Temperament
January 06, 2020 02:00 - 39 minutes - 36.1 MBHappy New Year, Friends! Today we're tackling a fascinating topic, and one that could possibly help you achieve some New Year's Goals: Praying for Your Temperament. This episode started as a conversation pre-recording a few months ago... sharing how novenas appeal to some people but for others they are impossible to stick with. "I wonder if that's a temperament thing..." lead us to Google which lead us to discover Meg Hunter-Kilmer's blog series on a book called "Prayer and Temperamen...
J1ST 100: Advent Book Study Pt 2
December 23, 2019 02:00 - 19 minutes - 17.8 MBHey Friends! Happy Fourth Week of Advent! Today we are wrapping up our book study on Interior Freedom, and sticking with the theme of 'we can only control what is within ourselves,' Nancy is without a voice this week so it's just me, Katie. This episode focuses on the last third of the book (that first section was so huge!!). And for me, the two words that kept popping out were HOPE and IDENTITY, so they are the focus of the episode as well. Fr. Jacques Philippe defines hope as, "th...
J1ST 099: 12 Day of Christmas
December 16, 2019 03:00 - 42 minutes - 39 MBFollowing the theme of 'we can't control things outside ourselves,' we're needing to take a week off from the Advent Book Study of Interior Freedom and instead, we're sharing something else... The 12 Days of Christmas! Hoping that sharing this week gives you time to prepare a few 'liturgical living' activities but also gets you excited for the days following December 25th. As Catholics, the Christmas Season doesn't actually begin until the Christmas Vigil and doesn't end till Epiphan...
J1ST 098: Advent Book Study on Interior Freedom
December 09, 2019 02:00 - 35 minutes - 32.8 MBWelcome back from our Thanksgiving break and welcome into Advent! We hope you had a beautiful "Turkey Day" and that the first week of Advent has been somewhat peaceful and prayerful. During Advent, we will be doing a three part series on the tiny but powerful book, Interior Freedom, by Fr. Jacques Philippe. If you don't have it yet, you can grab it here and join in on the fun. For this episode, we focused on the first section (through pg 81). Even if you don't plan on reading the boo...
J1ST 097: Novenas
November 18, 2019 03:00 - 35 minutes - 32.4 MBHey Friends! Before we dive into this week's topic, two quick announcements! One: We will NOT be releasing a new episode next weekend. We're taking a week off for Thanksgiving. BUT (two), we will be back the First Sunday of ADVENT with the first episode of our book study series! The book we're reading is Interior Freedom by Fr. Jacques Philippe. You can snag it right here! This week, we're discussing another one of those Special Catholic Things: Novenas. What is a novena? Where do w...
J1ST 094: Relics Part Two
November 11, 2019 02:00 - 46 minutes - 42.7 MB** Before we jump into this week’s episode, we want to let you know that we’ll be doing a book study this upcoming Advent!!! The book is Interior Freedom by Fr. Jacques Philippe. Have you read anything by Fr. Philippe yet? He is AMAZING. Such a gentle, yet wise voice… our hope is this study will help us all stay centered this Advent on what (or WHO!) truly matters. You can snag a copy here. First episode/discussion will be on December 1st!! ** And we're back with Part 2 of our Mini Series...
J1ST 094: Radical Relics Part 1
November 04, 2019 02:00 - 37 minutes - 34.2 MBWelcome back! Today, we start a two part series on relics... What are they? Are there different kinds? Why do Catholics hang on to pieces of dead people? It might surprise you to find out that the practice of keeping relics is not something that started with the early martyrs, or even with Christ. No! The first example of relics we found in scripture is in the second book of Kings (13:20-21). Some men were burying a dead man when they were attacked by Moabites. They threw the body ...
J1ST 093: All Soul's Day
October 28, 2019 02:00 - 40 minutes - 37 MBWelcome back to another week of the Just One Small Thing Podcast!! Continuing on our 'Fall Triduum' theme, we're discussing All Soul's Day today. Although the last day of this great Triduum of our Faith, it seems to be the 'middle child' in some ways... It's not an eve. It's not a Holy Day of Obligation. It's also kind of sad. We all have people we have known and loved and they've passed on and we're not exactly sure where they are... Did they go straight to Heaven? Are they still i...
J1ST 092: Is Halloween Evil?
October 21, 2019 02:00 - 1 hour - 64.7 MBHi There! We're getting seasonal today and tackling Halloween... If you're like us, you probably remember the annual struggle to narrow down your costume ideas to a single CHOICE and then the excitement of running door to door to get candy (FOR FREE) from strangers. Halloween was quite different as we went on college and post-graduation life. Halloween seemed like nothing more than an invitation to dress immodestly and drink to excess, so no thank you, Halloween, we'll just move on to ...
J1ST 091: The Litte Flower
October 14, 2019 02:00 - 38 minutes - 35.3 MBHi Friends! Happy Feast Day of Fatima (if you're checking this out Sunday evening). October 13th, 1917 is "The Day the Sun Danced." It's a great day to pray the rosary! Speaking of roses.... It's October and we'd be remiss if we didn't share about one of our favorite saints, St. Therese of Lisieux, The Little Flower. Before St. Therese died, she declared "I will send down a shower of roses from the heavens, I will spend my heaven by doing good on earth." Since then, many Catholics hav...