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It Happened to a Friend of a Friend

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If you like the creepy, the eerie, and the weird, then we've got the tales for you. Join us for stories that make you want to pull the covers up tight, as well some fun banter peppered in there.

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Ann Woodward and Fox Hollow Farms

March 08, 2024 13:55 - 41 minutes - 48 MB

Eventually we'll get back to our regular bi-weekly schedule, but for now we're very inconsistent...we're sorry. Today's episode features a story with socialite scandal, murder, and a gossipy author. Next, or a horrible killer that buried his victims on his property. Our throwbacks are World Famous canvas backpacks, and flash mobs. Find, and interact, with us on Instagram, or write to us at [email protected]

Jack the Ripper and a Gypsy Rose Blanchard Update

February 09, 2024 12:52 - 54 minutes - 62.1 MB

This week you're all getting a real treat. We don't do a lot of heavy hitters, but this week we've got one of the first heavy hitters in the true crime world. None other than, Jack the Ripper! Next, as promised in the last episode, a brief update on Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Our throwbacks are a Wizard of Oz scene conspiracy, and the 90s kids rock tv show, Kids Can Rock and Roll, featuring the group "Kideo". Find us on Instagram or write to us at [email protected].

Gilded Age Swindlers and New Orleans Axe Murderer

January 25, 2024 13:11 - 54 minutes - 63 MB

I feel like this is start of a lot of episodes lately, but....we're baaaack! Yup, after an extended holiday break, we figured out our schedules and finally found a day to record! First is some female con artist stories from the opulent gilded age. Next a story many lovers of true crime know, the axe murderer of New Orleans...but with some new info! Only one throwback this week, the bakery found in many malls in the 90s and early 00s...mmmMuffins. They sold all kinds of...you guessed it...muf...

Christmas Killings and Phrogging

December 14, 2023 13:53 - 39 minutes - 43.3 MB

Here it is, the one and only episode we'll be releasing in December...so listen slowly! First up, some shudder inducing Christmas killings. Next, a phenomenon that will make you want to check all your crawl spaces, all the time...phrogging. We also have a few odd Victorian traditions to round this holiday episode. Our throwbacks are Christmas carol books, and the classic holiday film, The Muppet Christmas Carol. Message us with your creepy stories on Instagram, or write in to, ithappenedtopo...

Louise Wise Services and BTK

November 16, 2023 12:31 - 50 minutes - 56.9 MB

Today we discuss the controversial research study on twins conducted by the adoption agency, Louise Wise Services, in the 1960s. Then, we get into a true crime "heavy hitter" with a brief recounting of BTK. Our throwbacks are 90s R&B songs with subtle (or overtly) sexual lyrics, and the show Twin Peaks. Send us a message on Instagram with your creepy tales, or write to us at [email protected].

Christina Boyer and The Winchester House

October 26, 2023 12:32 - 40 minutes - 46.8 MB

It's almost Halloween, so we have some spoooky stories for your listening pleasure. First, a women who allegedly has telekinetic powers, and is serving jail time for a death some say she wasn't responsible for...or was she? Next, the story of how a massive house in California was built on the advice of medium for the widow of a famous gunmaker. Our throwbacks are dance crazes, and the show Supernatural. You can connect with us on Instagram, or write to us at [email protected].

Guy Paul Morin and the Devil at Loftus Hall

October 13, 2023 13:20 - 34 minutes - 40.4 MB

Happy Friday the 13th! It's been a few weeks, but we're back with another episode. Today we have the story of a horrible Canadian murder case, and the man who was wrongfully convicted of the crime. Then a tale of a meeting with the Devil. Our throwbacks are the TV show Zoobilee Zoo and the Mandela effect of the Berenstain Bears spelling. Find us on Instagram or write to us at [email protected].

The Haunting in Connecticut and Spontaneous Human Combustion

September 14, 2023 12:44 - 49 minutes - 58.2 MB

We're back! It's been a hot minute, the summer was crazier than we expected and our schedules just didn't jive to record. Today we have a good old fashioned ghost story, because who doesn't like a haunting? Also, if you didn't have anxiety before, you may have it after learning you might all of a sudden burst into flames. Our throwbacks are many....BodyBreak, Snackwells cookies, 90s talk shows, Bob Barker, and Jimmy Buffet. Apparently we're making up for those missing weeks. Write in to us i...

Ed Kemper and Jaws

July 28, 2023 22:31 - 47 minutes - 57.8 MB

Today we have a shallow jump into the story of Ed Kemper. I'm sure you've heard of him, he's one of those killers you know the name of, but maybe you don't really know the story. Next, because it's summer blockbuster movie time, is the inspiration for the the novel and movie, Jaws. You may want to be careful going into the water on those hot days. Our throwbacks are Rugrats...that 90s show about babies and toddlers we all loved, and Cool Tops Skipper...because who didn't love making tiny T's ...

Princess Caraboo and Cocaine Bear

July 13, 2023 12:47 - 30 minutes - 34.8 MB

Maybe the Anne Delvey of her time, Princess Caraboo convinced a small village she was a foreign princess...but was she? Then, we have a brief retelling of the story of cocaine bear, you'll love it. Our throwbacks are the old school seat belts that did up just at the waist and would burn your stomach in the summer because they got so hot, and the movie Blow...because sometimes we like to stay on theme. Find us on Instagram where you can send in your stories or email us as ithappenedtopod@gmai...

Shasta Groene and The Stonewall Riots

June 15, 2023 12:20 - 41 minutes - 47.8 MB

Today we give you the amazing survivor story of Shasta Groene. Then, we move to a story in honour of Pride month...the Stonewall Riots. Our throwbacks are the movie Beetlejuice, and Frank Costanza's couch pose in Seinfeld. Message us with your stories or throwbacks on Instagram, or write in to [email protected].

Anna Delvey and Candy Montgomery

June 01, 2023 12:27 - 50 minutes - 57.7 MB

Today we tell the story of two women who have a docuseries based on them. First is the exaggerated life of Anna Sorokin, aka Anna Delvey...you can find her series on Netflix (if you haven't already). Next we have the case of Candy Montgomery...her story has two versions, one on Hulu/Crave, the other on Disney+. After you listen to us, check them out if you want a weekend true crime binge. Our throwbacks are Kool-Aid in the single serve packets (you can't find those in Canada folks), and the ...

Athalia Ponsell Lindsley Part 2 and Game Show Scandals

May 18, 2023 12:22 - 41 minutes - 46.7 MB

Today we give you the conclusion of Anthalia Ponsell Lindsley, and then lighten the mood with some game show scandals. What was your favourite game on the Price is Right? Remember Supermarket Sweep? Our throwbacks are Miss Mary Mack, Barney, and Nesquik powder in the tin (which apparently you can still find, but I can only find it in the plastic container). Follow us on Instagram, message us, or email us at ithappenedtopod@gmail with your stories and throwbacks.

Levi Weeks and Athalia Ponsell Lindsley

May 04, 2023 12:16 - 47 minutes - 55 MB

Today we go waaaay back in time to the first ever recorded murder trial in the United States...not first murder, just the first recorded one. If you enjoy musicals, you'll enjoy the Hamilton connection. Next, another two parter with the murder of Athalia Ponsell Lindsley...gotta love a two part episode. Our throwbacks are the infamous Gordon Gartrell shirt, the 90s Toronto Blue Jays, and velour sweat suits. Follow us on Instagram and write to us with your stories at [email protected].

Fairmont Banff Ghosts and The Titanic

April 20, 2023 12:18 - 44 minutes - 53 MB

Today we give you some hotel ghost stories from the west coast of Canada. Then a brief history of the Titanic (not sure if you've heard of it) and some conspiracies surrounding it's sinking. Our throwbacks are camcorders and The Flower Making Basket. Find us on Instagram and write to us at [email protected].

Murdaugh Family and James Jameson Cannibal Incident

March 23, 2023 11:49 - 41 minutes - 49 MB

With the Murdaugh family in the news lately, some of you may be wondering, "who is this family?". Well, you're in luck. Today we'll give you the Coles Notes version of the family and the crimes they've been involved with. Next, a horrible story about a whisky heir and how he became attached to a cannibal scandal in the late 1800s. Our throwbacks are the movie Leprechaun (have we done this, not sure, I feel like we have) and the book "Go Ask Alice" (spoiler, it's not a true story). Connect wi...

Vallow Daybell Cult (Part 2) and Angela Diaz and Michelle Hadley

March 09, 2023 13:41 - 55 minutes - 66.2 MB

Today we continue with part two of the Vallow Daybell Cult and all the twists it takes...there's a lot to unpack there. Then we move on to a real life Lifetime movie with the story of Angela Diaz and Michelle Hadley. Our throwbacks are the movie and book, Pet Cemetery, and Italian Charms. Connect with us on Instagram or write in to us at [email protected].

Creepy Pastas and Vallow Daybell Cult (Part 1)

February 23, 2023 23:37 - 55 minutes - 61.1 MB

We're back, yay! We had a bit of a break while Megan spent some family time in Disney. On today's episode we talk creepy pastas and digital urban legend stories. Then, the first part of the story of Vallow Daybell. Our throwbacks are Ren and Stimpy (Can't remember if we did that yet), SpongeBob SquarePants, and Laguna Beach (I feel like we did that before too). We hope you enjoy!

Kim Family Road Trip and Jen Shah

January 26, 2023 13:30 - 39 minutes - 46.1 MB

On today's episode we tell you the sad story of a road trip gone wrong. We don't want to scare you off long distance car trips, you should still listen, you might pick up some tips to keep yourself safe. Then we have a trashy TV scandal featuring a real housewife of Salt Lake City...sometimes you just need something a little fluffy. Our throwbacks are the shows Hercules and Xena, and Sailor Moon. Write in with your stories or throwbacks. Find us on Instagram or email us at ithappenedtopod@gm...

Jennifer Pan and The Burari Deaths

January 12, 2023 13:03 - 41 minutes - 47.2 MB

Welcome to the first episode of the new year! Today we have a the double life of Jennifer Pan and the tragic Burari Deaths. Our throwbacks are Blossom style hats and Pee Wee Herman! Find us on Instagram and write in with your tales of the unknown or some super fun throwbacks to [email protected].

Christmas Crimes

December 24, 2022 13:35 - 27 minutes - 30.4 MB

Welcome to our very special holiday episode! Today we have a traditional Christmas Eve ghost story, and then 12 short crime stories that happened on or around the holly jolly season. We even have a true crime update from a previous story. This bonus episode is our holiday gift to you, thanks for listening! Our throwbacks are the movies Prancer, and Mickey's Christmas Carol. Enjoy the holidays, no matter how you celebrate. We'll be back in the new year with more true crime stories. Find us on...

Ecole Polytechnique Massacre and Spring Heel Jack

December 15, 2022 13:30 - 41 minutes - 44.9 MB

After a long few weeks of craziness, we're back! Sorry we were MIA for a bit, there were sooo many things going on for us. Today we remember the victims of one of Canada's worst mass shootings with the story of the Ecole Polytechnique Massacre. Next we tell the tale of Victorian folklore, Spring Heel Jack. Our throwbacks include TGIF style holiday specials, the stocking my mom made me that Megan hates, and the movie Black Christmas. Don't forget to connect with us on Instagram or write in wi...

Ed Gein and Beverly Smith

November 17, 2022 13:36 - 39 minutes - 44.8 MB

Today's episode features the man who inspired characters like Norman Bates, Leather Face, and Buffalo Bill. Yup, it's Ed Gein. Next we have Durham Region's longest unsolved case that took place in Oshawa....the murder of Beverly Smith. Our throwbacks are the show Jersey Shore, and having so many keychains, but only one little house key. Write in with your stories and throwbacks to [email protected] and find us on Instagram. 

The Bell Witch and Halloween Horrors

October 27, 2022 12:12 - 42 minutes - 47.5 MB

Our last episode of spooooky season! What's a Halloween episode without a witch story? Seems to be a theme this month. For our first creeptastic tale, we have the story of the Bell Witch. After that terrifying legend, you'll be taken on a trip through history with some horrific events that happened on Halloween (or at least during the month of October). Our throwbacks are the movie The Bodyguard (don't worry, no one tries to sing) and the show Glee. Have a safe and happy Halloween! Write in ...

Annabelle and Salem Witch Trials

October 13, 2022 12:15 - 41 minutes - 45.8 MB

It's our first episode of spooky month...wheeee! First up we have the creepy doll story of Annabelle. Totally shocked Megan chose this one since she totally loves...I mean is terrified....of the toys. Next, I do a shallow jump into the Salem witch trials. There are so many more avenues and family dynamics that played a part in this portion of American history, but I kept it simple. Our throwbacks are the Raggedy Anne doll, kind of Ghostwriter (couldn't remember if we did that one already, so...

The Pied Piper of Tucson and Orloj aka the "Cursed Clock"

September 29, 2022 11:48 - 38 minutes - 42.8 MB

You'd think a guy who wore weird pancake makeup and stuffed his shoes to make himself taller, wouldn't be a ladies man...but he was. He was also a killer. Next, if you like historical Prague, clocks, and curses, this story is up your alley! At first we couldn't think of throwbacks, but we eventually came up with pleather clothing and beaded curtains. Write in to us with your fave throwbacks at [email protected] and find us on Instagram! 

Hazing Horror Stories and Vampire Tales

September 15, 2022 16:45 - 36 minutes - 41 MB

With back to school season upon us, it's only fitting we do some school related stories. Fraternities and sororities have been well known for their hazing antics. Some are harmless fun, but others are deadly...literally. Then, we have the greatest vampire story ever...not Dracula, but stories that inspired that book. As always, you can get in touch with us by writing in at [email protected], or find us on Instagram!

The Scream Murders and The Boy in the Box

September 01, 2022 12:33 - 40 minutes - 44.8 MB

The Scream movie was not only inspired by a true crime story (that we covered btw), but the movie itself also played a part in a real life murder. Next we have the story of a boy who tragically died, was put in a box, and left in a wooded area. The boy's identity was never figured out, but there are many theories. Our throwbacks are the various bike accessories you jazz up your mode of transportation with (bells, things things in the spokes, streamers, etc.), and the movie Wayne's World! Wri...

Amusement Park Horrors and Elmer McCurdy

August 04, 2022 12:38 - 45 minutes - 53.2 MB

We're in the middle of summer and we know people are taking part in various fun fairs, amusement parks, and water rides. Sure, those things are fun, but happens when they're not...dun dun dun! Our first story is just some of your standard ride horrors that can happen in the happiest of places. Then, a story of a park ride decoration that was a little more creepy than people thought. Our throwbacks include Scooby Doo, Matthew Lillard, and Love Connection. Follow us on Instagram, and write in ...

La Dame Verte and The Bling Ring

July 21, 2022 12:28 - 41 minutes - 49.8 MB

For your listening pleasure today we have a castle haunted by a ye olde tyme French lady. Next, a more modern tale of indulgence with a bunch of bratty teens stealing from their celebrity idols. Our throwbacks are 90s trashy talk shows and the show The Carrie Diaries! Find us on Instagram, and write in with your stories to [email protected]. Don't forget to review and follow us where ever you happen to be listening now.

Dexter Killer and Leopold and Loeb

July 07, 2022 11:58 - 41 minutes - 46.2 MB

Today Megan tells a Canadian crime tale...and has sources! I (Sarah) stick my roots and dig up a vintage murder. While one was influenced by a popular TV show, the other inspired various movies, including a Ryan Gosling and Sandra Bullock thriller. Our throwbacks are a local Niagara catfish derby, and filling out information in the back of a library book on the card when you borrow it. Find us on the 'gram, and write in with your stories to [email protected]

Creepy Fun Facts and Chilling Prom Stories

June 23, 2022 12:36 - 40 minutes - 46.8 MB

What's better than one fun fact? A whole (partial) episode of course. You'll get an earful of chilling fun facts to dazzle and amaze your friends...or probably just creep them out. Then, since we're coming off of prom season, we've got some scary prom night stories that will make you want to head for some fast food instead of joining in on the dance. Our throwbacks are the Strawberry Shortcake dolls and movies and the "Livestrong" yellow bracelets. Find us on Instagram and write in with your...

The Soka Forest and Angelina Napolitano

June 09, 2022 13:17 - 44 minutes - 51.5 MB

Today we have a horrific story straight out of an urban legend, maybe a listener beware for this one? Then we get back to the olde tyme crimes I enjoy with a story about the first time a woman used the battered wife defense in a murder trial. Our throwbacks are the file sharing sites we used to use and love and Cherry Merry Muffin dolls. Connect with us on Instagram or write in with your stories and throwbacks to [email protected]

John List and The Soap Maker of Corregio

May 26, 2022 11:56 - 42 minutes - 50.7 MB

Today we talk about a family annihilator who eluded police for years, until John Walsh shed some light on the case. Then, we learn why we should buy vegan soaps and maybe have a little suspicion about the tea cakes we're eating. Our throwbacks are Paint and Dazzle Barbie, and the Friday the 13th movies. Connect with us on Instagram or write to us with stories and throwbacks to [email protected].   

Villisca Axe Murders and Issei Sagawa

May 12, 2022 12:37 - 44 minutes - 52.5 MB

Alright, we're back. I know you totally missed us that one week we didn't post. For today, we have a vintage unsolved murder. I don't know about you, but I don't like unsolved things! Then, I step out of my historical crime comfort zone and give you something a little more cringy...the story of "The Kobe Cannibal". Connect with us on Instagram or write to us at [email protected]. Enjoy!

Ghost Towns and Amber Hagerman

April 14, 2022 12:00 - 50 minutes - 54.2 MB

Have you ever been on a road trip and start to notice abandoned buildings in areas that aren't really a town? Or you hear the alarm of the amber alert on your phone and panic for the child kicks in, but you wonder...how did this notification start? Well wonder no longer, today we'll discuss both. First we'll go on a story telling road trip and visit just a small portion of the many ghost towns in Ontario. Then we'll tell the story of Amber Hagerman and how her tragic story helped create a wa...

Papin Sisters and Duplessis Orphans

March 31, 2022 12:00 - 43 minutes - 57.2 MB

Today, both our stories have an orphan and French theme...and we didn't even plan it! We start in France with the story of the Papin sisters. From their tragic childhood, to their final murderous days, you won't believe the horrible events that surrounded their lives. Next we travel to Quebec to learn about the treatment that befell the children born into unfavourable family situations (unwed mothers, poverty, abusive) in the 40s and 50s. Under the leadership of the Premier of the time, Maur...

Creepy Chit Chat

March 17, 2022 11:00 - 51 minutes - 66.1 MB

Today's episode is a little different. We decided to just have a conversation about the things that give us goose bumps and keep us hiding under the covers at night. You're either gonna love it or hate it...or maybe you'll just be 'meh' about it. Our throwbacks are Troll dolls and those big ADIDAS coats we all had in the 90s. Find us on Instagram and write in with your creepy tales at [email protected]. Enjoy!

Dead Woman's Crossing and David Milgaard

March 03, 2022 12:00 - 35 minutes - 38.2 MB

Today we give you a bit of the creepy with an olde tyme mysterious disappearance/ghost story. Why are there so many stories of olden time moms dying and being separated from their children? We then cut to a Canadian case based on a Tragically Hip song, I dare you to not sing the song when you finish listening. The Tragically Hip are just great story tellers and I always want to know more about the inspiration! Our throwbacks are the super fun fashion plates and the Classic Canadian kids show...

Lobotomies and Staircases to Hell

February 17, 2022 12:00 - 40 minutes - 36.3 MB

Today's episode may give you chills. From the images of an ice pick being hammered through your eye into your brain, to creepy staircases in the woods that go nowhere, you'll need something light and fluffy to watch/listen to after. Our throwbacks are the squish-worthy bath beads and the 90s "Extinct is Forever" campaign from the body shop. Find us on Instagram and email us your stories to [email protected].

Chanie Wenjack and Victor Lustig

February 03, 2022 14:00 - 43 minutes - 37.8 MB

Get ready to get emotional and then shocked and amazed. First, you'll have all the emotions and probably be brought to tears with the tragic story of Chanie Wenjack...even dead inside me had to hold back some watery eyes. Next, you'll be shocked by the crazy cons of Victor Lustig. Including his most famous selling of the Eiffel Tower...yea, you heard me. We throwback the old school plastic Disney VHS shells...you can hear the sound they make now can't you? Also, the yummy McDonald's cookies ...

Paul McCartney is Dead and Sweet Fanny Adams

January 20, 2022 12:00 - 40 minutes - 24.8 MB

Ever wonder where the things we say today originate from? Or maybe you enjoy a good conspiracy? Well today we have both for you! We discuss the interesting theory that the Paul McCartney we know and love is really an impostor! Also, the terrible story of Fanny Adams an how her case led to a popular saying many of us use today. Our throwbacks are vintage 80s and 90s birthday parties and Guitar Hero. Find us on Instagram and write in with your stories and throwbacks to [email protected]...

Brentwood Five Massacre and Coupon Scams

January 06, 2022 12:00 - 49 minutes - 42.9 MB

Today we start a little heavy with a Canadian tragedy, the Brentwood five massacre. We then lighten things up and leave you on a softer crime note with some coupon scam stories. Our throwbacks today are the Canadian discount store Zellers and, in honour of the amazing Betty White, the show Golden Girls. Thank you all for being our friends and for listening. Find us on Instagram and don't forget you can write in with your stories and throwbacks to [email protected].

Christmas Ghosts and The Lawson Family Murders

December 23, 2021 12:00 - 40 minutes - 31 MB

It's our final Christmas themed episode, so why not pull out some ghost stories and murder? Did you know back in the olden days people told ghost stories during the holidays? True story. We also bring you the truly horrific tale of Charles Lawson and the murders he committed against his own family...on Christmas! Our throwbacks are good old mistletoe and the Lil' Miss Makeup doll. Find us on Instagram and write in with your stories or throwbacks to [email protected]. Have a safe and...

More Christmas Traditions and Laci Peterson

December 09, 2021 12:00 - 42 minutes - 46.3 MB

Today we talk about where our Christmas traditions come from, eggnog, and the sad story of Laci Peterson. We throwback the super cute Moon Dreamer dolls and making your own greeting cards in The Print Shop on your old school 80s computer. The super nerd I am, I also used to make my own writing stationery. Find us on Instagram and don't forget to write in with creepy stories or awesome throwbacks at [email protected]

Blood Countess and Nursery Rhymes

November 25, 2021 12:00 - 42 minutes - 48 MB

Today we talk about one of the inspirations for Bram Stoker's Dracula...Elizabeth Bathroy, aka the "Blood Countess". We also shed some light on those seemingly innocent nursery rhymes we sang as kids and probably recite to our own offspring now. Our throwbacks include the gross Garbage Pail Kids, and a rival to Barbie, Maxie. Find us on Instagram and write to us at [email protected]!

The Stanford Prison Experiment and 50 Berkley Square

November 11, 2021 12:00 - 42 minutes - 48.4 MB

Would you sign up for an experimental role playing trial? How do you think you'd act when given authority over others...or maybe with all privileges stripped away, but all in the name of science? On another note...wanna go somewhere haunted? Today we look at the Stanford Prison Experiment and then take a trip across the pond to 50 Berkley Square, London's most notoriously haunted houses. Our throwbacks are the card selling ads at the back of comics, pacifier necklaces and good old commercial...

Our Second Halloween(ish) Episode

October 28, 2021 11:00 - 42 minutes - 42.4 MB

Ever want to know how black cats became a source or superstition? Or maybe what the inspiration was for the Scream movie? If not, then I guess you won't like this episode. But if you have, or if you're intrigued, then you'll probably love this episode...or at least find it entertaining. It's almost Halloween so we tried to be a little more on theme with the holiday. We throw back the super fetch movie Mean Girls, Dina-sour eggs candy, and Juggling/Devil Sticks...because Halloween. Find us on ...

Our First Halloween Episode

October 14, 2021 11:00 - 44 minutes - 48.3 MB

It's spooky season! It's the time of year that podcasts like ours get to break out all the creepy. For this episode we get a little historical, a little murdery, and a little weird...all the things you want in a Halloween episode. You'll get the history of trick or treating and the Jack o'Lantern, the story of a father who tried to kill his kids with candy, and some Halloween decorations based on real life. Of course we'll pepper in fun facts...because fun facts are fun, bing! Our throw back...

Creepy Dolls and DB Cooper

September 30, 2021 11:00 - 45 minutes - 48.1 MB

We're at the starting line of creepy month...October...so Megan is getting us started with some creepy doll stories. What creeps you out this time of year...or any day of the month? I take a different flight path and go into the mysterious case of plane hijacker DB Cooper. Seriously, where'd he go?! We throw back Richard Simmons, Steve Madden platform shoes, Yikes! pencils, and Laurentien pencil crayons. Find us on Instagram at @ithappenedtopod and send us your creepy tales and fun throwback...