Another new guest, Koyuki, joins Jake to discuss two decade defining works of popular horror from James Wan, "Saw" (2004) and "The Conjuring" (2013). Do they hold up? What was it about them that resonated so much in their particular time? Is there a real evolution in the craft and concerns of James Wan himself? Also, for those who know what the phrase "wan" means, you can maybe guess some of the tone and criticism of this episode from the title.