Interesting If True - Episode 74: Terrifying Trivia!

It's Halloween! In this year's special Shea hosts a scary movie quiz. Then for patrons... Aaron hosts a scary movie quiz!

Welcome to Interesting If True, the podcast that scares because it cares.

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I’m Aaron, and this week I learned that I’m really bad at bingo. C’est la vie, what’s one more sport I can’t play eh?

I’m Steve, and this week I learned,

I’m Jenn, and this week I learned that if Alexander Graham Bell had his way when we answer the phone we’d say “Ahoy”, Thomas Edison suggested “hello”

We settled on “Ah’hoy and Fuck Thomas Edison.”

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Blanche De Bruxelles – Lefebvre Belgium

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Steve: 5
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Aaron: 5

Round Table

This Round Table is a special one. Once upon a podcast, we did an annual Drag Queen Bingo wrap-up, but it’s been a few, what with that ol’Covid-19 thing and whatnot. But this year we got to have an event and it was a blast!

We’ll post some pics on the FBs and such soon, so make sure you like, subscribe, and all that jazz. So, bingo!

So yeah, it was fun. But we should get to the important stuff. By the end of the night, the Stilettos raised a fantastic $32,738! That will help a lot of people! Of that, and entirely thanks to your support, Interesting If True managed to buy a table, some fun bingo swag, and make a big-ass, novelty, check-worthy donation. All said and done, we donated a little under $1,500!

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And with that sappiness out of the way, let’s hear about some weird-ass Halloween stuff!

Terrifying Trivia

Tonight’s terrifying trivia is all about horror movies through the ages, I found some awesome facts and trivia about some of our favorite classics and tonight we crown our horror Scream Queen, or, probably unlikely Killer King. I almost asked Jenn if she wanted to go up against Aaron and Steve as a team in order to give them a fighting chance. For those not in the know, one of Jenn’s favorite October activities is horror movies! I have a number of questions for the hosts tonight. We will go one at a time with a chance to steal with a steal worth ½ points. Without further ado, it’s trivia time!

This film was reportedly based on the real-life Lutz family’s abbreviated stint living at 112 Ocean Avenue, the site of a grisly mass murder in Long Island, New York, the horror film doesn’t have to be entirely accurate to scare the pants off its viewers with bleeding walls, the glow of a feral animal’s stare, and, of course, a previously doting-now possessed husband on a mission to murder his wife and children.

The Amityville Horror (1979)

3,200 animals were trained for this movie and one actor reported they were fed a mixture of grain and whiskey in order to get them to just stand around. When audiences left the U.K. premiere in London, they were greeted by the sound of screeching and moving animals from loudspeakers hidden in the trees to scare them further.

The Birds (1963)

This movie only contains about 25 lines of voiced dialogue, although sign language dialogue is used extensively and the first line of voiced dialogue isn’t spoken until about 38 minutes into the film.

A Quiet Place (2018)

A German Expressionist horror staple, this is the first surviving film to introduce a vampire to the big screen. Though its legacy is shrouded in a copyright horror story of its own for ripping off a famous author and barely changing the story.

Nosferatu (1922)

Originally titled The Babysitter Murders, the writer, director, the composer took a shoestring budget and a whole lotta creativity to deliver a massively successful slasher flick that would eventually become the pinnacle of teen screams.

Halloween (1978)

Unsurprisingly, grumpy Southern chemical baron Jason Crockett is not terribly concerned with the environment. When Pickett Smith played by Sam Elliott, a wildlife photographer in the area stumbles upon the snakebitten corpse of Crockett’s gardener, who was sent out to spray pesticide, he knows something is amiss. What 1972 movie required the purchase of 500 Florida frogs and 100 giant South American toads?

The Frogs (1972)

The Night of the Creeping Dread, The Glob that Girdled the Globe, and The Molten Meteor were all considered as possible titles for what famous monster movie?

The Blob (1958)

The Director of this film knew the unseen was far scarier than the seen, which is why the villain of this slasher only has 7 minutes of screen time in the original film.

Freddy Krueger in A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)

Filmed at Camp No-Be-Bo-Sco in New Jersey, its fictional counterpart had 22 years of uninterrupted good times until a handicapped camper drowned in the summer of 1957, setting off a string of grisly murders in what 1980 film?

Friday the 13th (1980)

In this incredibly scary supernatural thriller, actors weren’t given scripts but were given guidelines on how to behave or what to discuss in their scenes, something must have worked because even Steven Spielberg had to stop watching the film halfway as he was genuinely scared. He finished it in daylight hours the next day and loved it.

Paranormal Activity (2007)

The boniface of a local establishment considered himself to be quite the amateur taxidermist. He says he likes stuffing birds because they are “curious” and “passive,” and several of his birds are displayed where he works in what early horror film?

Psycho (1960)

Called one of the best independent horror films of all time, this spine-tingler has some weird ties to World of Warcraft. In some scenes where the monster is in the room, a sound effect from the game can be heard. Specifically, it is the sound of some dragons in the game when one interacts with them. Also In Hebrew, the title creature’s name can be translated to “he is coming for sure.”

The Babadook (2014)

For this film production programmed wait points in the GPS unit for the actors to locate milk crates with three little plastic canisters in them. Each plastic canister contained notes on where the story was going for each actor, who would not show the other two their paper. From that point, they were free to improvise the dialogue, provided they followed the general instructions given to them.

The Blair Witch Project (1999)

Golden-era actress Ingrid Bergman stars in a film of suspense, madness, and mind games helmed by George Cukor. And though its horrors don’t borrow from the traditional scare tactics of the ‘40s—no wolfmen, Franken-monsters, or mummified terrors here—it explores the scariest presence there is a manipulative husband.

If you can’t get this question it’s because you have a terrible memory and you’re crazy, other people think so too…

Gaslight (1944)

A true horror for Aaron, a scene in this movie included the main character being covered in bees, even having them in his mouth. The actor playing the bee-spoked character made sure to include in his contract that he would be paid a bonus of $1000 for every sting he received, by the end of the scene he had managed an extra $23,000.

Candyman (1992)

A true classic and an epic that started a franchise, this film was originally called Starbeast and could have starred Merryl Streep and Harrison Ford.

Alien (1979)

Too bad Streep’s boyfriend had just died and Ford didn’t want to do another space movie so soon after Star Wars, otherwise, I doubt it would have been nearly as good.

Oftentimes movies are renamed in other languages to appeal to wider audiences. That was true for this film which went by many different titles around the globe such as:

Italian, Non aprite quella porta (Don’t Open That Door).
Japanese, 悪魔のいけにえ (Akuma no Ikenie), Devil’s Sacrifice.
Chile and Uruguay: The Madman with the Chainsaw
Germany: Texas Blood Court
Greece: The Schizophrenic Killer with the Saw
Peru: A Slaughter Like No Other

The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)

In tribute to the film, the makers of “Toy Story” made the carpet in Sid’s house the same as the carpet from the famous hallways from this movie? Also, this movie is in the Guinness Book of Records for the most retakes of a single scene with 127 takes for a scene.

The Shining (1980)

Kubrick was a huge perfectionist dick hole that pretty much ruined Shelly Duvall’s love of acting.

Originally titled Scary Movie, this film franchise’s bad guy was first developed for novelty stores during the Halloween season between 1991 and 1992 by Fun World employee Brigitte Sleiertin as part of a series titled “Fantastic Faces”, the mask itself known as “The Peanut-Eyed Ghost”.

Scream (1996)

Christopher Lee, who had been typecast for years as a blood-sucker in horror films. Declared his role “the best film I’ve ever been in, the best part I’ve ever had. And—the best performance I’ve ever given.” Lee’s desire to walk away from Dracula was so great that he reportedly agreed to play the starring role for free.

The Wicker Man (1973)

This film began as Tea Time of the Dead and the concept was from an episode of British tv comedy Spaced, in fact, many of the extras were from the fan base.

Shaun of the Dead (2004)

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Monster Mash-Up Quiz!

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Alright, folks…

It’s time to put your movie-monster knowledge to the test. You lot fancy yourselves movie trivia buffs, monster trivia buffs, and at least Jenn, is a monster-movie trivia buff, so let’s see if this is her game or not.

I’m going to introduce a monster by describing the movie it’s in. You’ll get a point for naming the movie, a point for naming the monster, and a point if you can tell me what the critters’ deal is.

So, diving right in… question one:

1

A girl named Sally is sent to live with her father at Blackwood manner. There, she is given copious amounts of Adderall to keep her outbursts in check. Still, she constantly hears whispers in the wind telling her to be afraid. Eventually, she encounters terrible creatures in the basement that are described as “tooth fairies” who transform the cast into terrible monsters…

Movie: 2010’s Don’t Be Afraid of the Dark
Monster: Homunculi, tiny, misshapen humanoids

They feed on children’s teeth, earning them the commonly known name of “tooth fairies”.

A Homunculus, as defined by the Alchemist Edward Elric, is an artificial human created by alchemy through the use of extremely dangerous, unstable chemicals like a Philosopher’s Stone. Typically, they’re made through the transmutation of living or recently deceased human bodies, though raw materials can be used, often with the goal of creating an ubermensch… or at least giving the creature superhuman abilities.

The “real” history of homunculi is much the same. First described in the alchemical writings of Paracelsus (1493-1541) in De Natura Rerum. He outlines the process of creating a homunculus as such:

That the sperm of a man be putrefied by itself in a sealed cucurbit for forty days with the highest degree of putrefaction in a horse’s womb, or at least so long that it comes to life and moves itself, and stirs, which is easily observed. After this time, it will look somewhat like a man, but transparent, without a body. If, after this, it be fed wisely with the Arcanum of human blood, and be nourished for up to forty weeks, and be kept in the even heat of the horse’s womb, a living human child grows therefrom, with all its members like another child, which is born of a woman, but much smaller.

Paracelsus (1493-1541) in De Natura Rerum

And that last bit is the crux. Traditionally, Homunculi are considered to be artificially created, miniature, humans. I guess you don’t grow beyond Gnomish when your mama’s a horse.

Before the 15th century, you won’t find the term homunculi, but you will find descriptions of similar creatures later believed to be homunculus, like the legend of the Jewish Golem, though, it is obviously not a mini-person.

Side note, in medical science, the term is sometimes used to refer to fetus-like ovarian cystic teratomas. (full of air, hair, and teeth)

2

Following his wee-little exploits from trying to make friends with Jennifer Aniston’s character to kicking it up in the “Da Hood” this terrible series of Irish miss-adventures features a greedy, well-dressed, monster that will totally fuck your mother…

Movie(s): Leprechaun series
Monster: Leprechaun, a hybrid of a demon and fairy
About him: He’ll kill you for his pot of gold, or more traditionally, he’s a tiny, mischievous but well-meaning, cobbler.

The word derives from Old Irish “luchorpan”, “little body.” Though other sources, like the Irish words “leath bhrogan”, meaning shoemaker. If you capture one, the use of enhanced interrogation may reveal its pot of gold. Other traditions suggest you’ll get three wishes from a captured leprechaun, though they are decidedly monkey’s paw about it, so wish with caution.

Finally, worth noting is the term Leprechaunism as it pertains to Donohue Syndrome, an extremely rare disorder characterized by abnormal resistance to insulin, but term is now commonly considered to be a pejorative term in this context. Though, that doesn’t stop NORD from using it casually…

Leprechaunism is an extremely rare disorder characterized by abnormal resistance to insulin that results in a variety of distinguishing characteristics, including growth delays and abnormalities affecting the endocrine system (i.e., the system of glands that secrete hormones into the blood system). Affected infants may also have distinctive characteristics of the head and face (craniofacial region), low birth weight, skin abnormalities, and enlargement of the breast and clitoris in females and the penis in males. Leprechaunism is inherited in an autosomal recessive pattern.

NORD – National Organization for Rare Disorders

3

A group of four friends set off to the Swedish forest to remember their recently lost friend. Unfortunately, they forgot to check with the unusually long-lived locals about where to safely camp and, of course, are injured in the forest. Seeking refuge from a storm, they hide and are picked off one at a time by a terrifying, half-horse, monster of the forest.

Movie: The Ritual
Monster: The Moder

The Moder, is one of the last Jotunnn (Norse gods of Joddenhim, who is said to be the “bastard offspring of Loki” and… Sleipnir… Oden’s 8 legged horse 0_o hows that for a trick.

It might be in reference to this passage from Poetic Edda Hyndluljoth which is known as “the short Voluspo.”

A heart ate Loki,– | in the embers it lay,
And half-cooked found he | the woman’s heart;–
With child from the woman | Lopt soon was,
And thence among men | came the monsters all.

Poetic Edda Hyndluljoth

Nothing further is known of the myth here referred to, wherein Loki (Lopt) eats the cooked heart of a woman and thus himself gives birth to a monster. The reference is not likely to be to the serpent, as, according to Snorri (Gylfaginning, 34), the wolf, the serpent, and Hel were all the children of Loki and Angrbotha.

So, I wouldn’t call this part of the Norse pantheon and it certainly doesn’t get its own stories, but take monster inspiration where you can find it eh.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/poe15.htm

4

This film, perhaps the first Atlantean romance, features a young… well everyone — John Candy, Ron Howard, and Tom Hanks. But, instead of jumping into a volcano, Tom falls in the ocean, twice, then falls in love. Back in New York, it’s time for sexy hijinks!

Movie: Splash!
Monster: Mermaid

Half-fish, half hot, topless, woman or… guy, I guess, lame… merfolk are generally considered safe now but back in the day, they were flesh-eating sirens, meant to lure sailors to their untimely deaths.

According to European folklore, mermaids were like fairies in that they had magical and prophetic powers. They loved music and are often pictured or recounted as singing. Apparently, they’re very long-lived but are indeed mortal and, sadly, have no souls. Many stories involve marrying a mermaid. To accomplish this you must either make a deal with her or go the incel route and steal her belt, comb, or mirror, forcing her to live with you until she finds the stolen items and can return to the sea. Like most things incel, this is poorly thought through as once freed, mermaids are known to cause floods and tidal waves when threatened or angered.

5

Pixar’s unique take on this fantastical monster shows us a very stressed-out main character, his brother, and the bottom half of their father on a quest to find… his top half. But once mom realizes they’ve set out on an adventure in their magical, creature-filled world, she enlists this legendary tracker to return them home safely.

Movie: Onward
Monster: Manticore
About it: the creature is a mix of a few beasts, usually a lion, horse, and something else like a dragon. These creatures come from Persia where they often have wings and a scorpion’s tail. Breathing fire they’ll kill, cook, and eat you. Legend has it that to kill one you must destroy its top half, leaving the bottom half incapacitated, ready to be burned up by the sun.

The manticore myth was of Persian origin. It passed into European folklore first through a remark by Ctesias, a Greek physician at the Persian court of King Artaxerxes II in the fourth century BC, in his book Indica (“India”), which circulated among Greek writers on natural history but has survived only in fragments, or references by those other writers.

6

Isolated and threatened, a mysterious force hidden within the trees outside the small town of Maiden Woods, strikes fear in the townspeople as Sheriff Paul Shields attempts to overcome the demons of his past while protecting those that he loves from the demons of the woods before the credits roll on this, solidly “meh” movie.

Movie: Dark was the night
Monster: Wendigo

Wendigos are Algonquin myths about emaciated, corpse-like figures that eat people alive. Similar to smaller wear-wolves these creatures hunt in packs and a bite will turn you into one… if it doesn’t kill you horribly in the process. Perhaps more famously than this terrible movie, the Wendego are common villains in the MCU, specifically for Hulk and Wolverine, whose healing factors make them immune to the beasts’ bites.

Apparently, you’ll find them in the Minnesota forests through the Great Lakes region and into the Rocky Mountains, though the in-between areas seem devoid of the creatures.

Offering another description of the creatures, Native American and First Nations people’s legends describe them as giants, many times larger than people. Though they still appear to be emaciated and animalistic and, of course, eat humans.

We should also mention “Wendigo Psychosis” which is… not really, but often reported as such by explorers of the area. One such, a 1661 Jesuit Priest, described the ailment this way:

Those poor men (according to the report given us) were seized with an ailment unknown to us, but not very unusual among the people we were seeking. They are afflicted with neither lunacy, hypochondria, nor frenzy; but have a combination of all these species of disease, which affects their imaginations and causes them a more than canine hunger. This makes them so ravenous for human flesh that they pounce upon women, children, and even upon men, like veritable werewolves, and devour them voraciously, without being able to appease or glut their appetite.

A report worthy of mention is that of Swift Runner. In the 1878-79 winter Runner, his family, and a number of Cree families were facing starvation on the way to Hudson’s Bay. Succumbing to Windigo Psychosis Runner killed and ate everyone in the party rather than seek the Bay. He would later turn himself in at Fort Saskatchewan where he was executed.

Reports of similar manifestations of cannibalistic psychosis are reported basically up until cameras and germ theory.

7

Amelia Vakan, who lost her husband in a car crash on the way to give birth to Samuel, their only child, struggles to cope with her fate as a single mom. Samuel’s constant fear of monsters and violent reactions to overcome the fear doesn’t help her cause either, which makes her friends become distant. When things can’t get any worse, they read a strange book in their house about the monster that hides in the dark areas of the house. Even Amelia seems to feel the effect of the monster and desperately tries in vain to destroy the book. The nightmarish experiences the two encounter form the rest of the story.

Monster: Babadook Movie: Babadook 2014 The Babadook, also known as Mister Babadook, is a supernatural creature that is said to be the embodiment of grief, anxiety, and depression. It is said to haunt those who would be foolish enough to read a pop-up book, disguised as a children’s book, that talks about it. Kind of a “Ring” thing going on.

The Babadook most generally appears as a towering, shadowy bogeyman wearing a black coat and hat, with long, claw-like hands and a pale frightening face. The Babadook haunts whoever reads its poem and hides inside a pop-up book that mysteriously appears in random homes. As its prey becomes more frightened, the Babadook becomes more monstrous.

8

For nineteen-year-old Jay, Autumn should be about school, boys, and weekends out at the lake. But after a seemingly innocent sexual encounter, she finds herself plagued by strange visions and the inescapable sense that someone, something, is following her. Faced with this burden, Jay and her friends must find a way to escape the horrors that seem to be only a few steps behind.

Movie: It Follows
MonsteR: IT (possession), not Steven King’s IT

IT is some kind of shadowy monster that is said to follow and murder people. Like many other monsters, you can’t really beat it so much as redirect it away from you. Except there’s no handy-dandy movie to send someone the only way to make it move on is to bone someone and then let it be their problem. Basically, it’s horror, monster-movie, STD. Plus, when it kills its victims, it’s in some sort of horrible, back-breaking sex, sometimes even while wearing the face of its victim’s parent. That’s a bad way to go.

9

Catherine “Cathy” Kean is an American (or, depending on the dub, Australian) woman who travels to Bali to write a book about voodoo and black magic. She learns of Leák magic from her lover Mahendra, who says that it is the most powerful form of black magic and that it can be used to kill. After attending a ceremonial ritual, Mahendra agrees to help Cathy study magic, and they share a kiss as an unknown woman watches from afar. The next night, after a brief thunderstorm, the two meet the cackling leader of the Leák cult, an old witch with long fingernails known as the Queen of the Leák.

Movie: Mystics in Bali
Monster: Penanggalan

The penanggal or penanggalan is a nocturnal vampiric entity from Malay ghost myths. Its name comes from the word Tanggal meaning to remove or take off because its form is that of a floating disembodied woman’s head with its trailing internal organs still attached. From afar, it twinkles like a ball of flame, providing an explanation for the will-o’-the-wisp phenomenon.

This is when you see two or more still, floating, wisps of light in the woods. It’s eery, but not a monster.

The will-o’-the-wisp is a flame-like phosphorescence caused by gases from decaying plants in marshy areas. In the olden days, it was personified as “Will with the-wisp,” a sprite who carried a fleeting “wisp” of light. Foolish travelers were said to try to follow the light and were then led astray into the marsh.

10

Dumped by his girlfriend, the slacker salesman is so down that he fails to notice a very special kind of plague taking over London. Fortunately, he and his couch-potato flatmate Nick prove to be up to the challenge and round up their remaining loved ones to make a final stand over a pint and the pub.

Movie: Shaun of the Dead
Monster: zombies

A zombie (Haitian French: zombi, Haitian Creole: zonbi) is a mythological undead corporeal revenant created through the reanimation of a corpse. Zombies are most commonly found in horror and fantasy genre works. The term comes from Haitian folklore, in which a zombie is a dead body reanimated through various methods, most commonly magic like voodoo. Modern media depictions of the reanimation of the dead often do not involve magic but rather science fictional methods such as carriers, radiation, mental diseases, vectors, pathogens, parasites, scientific accidents, etc.

11

While on a routine mission, Cmdr. Pete Mathews runs into trouble when his submarine is nearly sunk by an unknown creature. Back at base in Pearl Harbor, Dr. John Carterand Professor Lesley Joyce identifies the beast as having been awakened in the deep by nearby nuclear testing. Radioactive and monstrously huge, the rampaging leviathan is heading toward the North American Pacific Coast.

Movie: it came from beneath the Sea Monster: Giant octopus, not Godzilla or his ilk Often called a Kraken giant octopuses have captivated the imagination of sailors and storytellers for centuries. Versions like Iusca or Akkorokamui, are considered to be native inhabitants of the Bahamas and Hokkaido respectively and are generally considered to be leftovers from the Paleolithic era. Other versions of the creature, like the Te Wheke-a-Muturangi is a monster of Maori myth that patrolled the shores of New Zealand, destroying western ships that tried to land.

It should be mentioned that these are creatures are, either by magic or other mysterious circumstances, truly massive. We’re talking a multiple-hundred ton, Godzilla-fighting, city-stomping, Kaju. Not members of the Enteroctopus genus. These are creatures like Enteroctopus dofieni, Enteroctopus magnificus, or Enteroctopus megalocyathus which are all real, very large, but not eat-a-city large octopuses. Though, perhaps as a source of the Te Wheke-a-Muturangi myth, the Enteroctopus Zealandicus is a bag-ass, yellow, octopus that lives off the coasts of New Zealand.

12

Repairman Val McKee and his friend Earl Bassett are tired of the small-town life of Perfection, Nevada. But just as they finally work up the nerve to skip town, people start dying. With a small team of not-Fremen like an unnamed seismologist and a little girl who really likes her pogo-stick, they set out to take their town back from the flesh-hungry monsters that infest it — with extreme prejudice.

Movie: Tremors
Monster: Graboids

Myths: Luckily I got my Dune jokes out of the way in the question, despite my inner-Fremen reminding me that the spice humor must flow. Like the worms from Dune — though this is a bit contentious — the Mongolian Death Worm has inspired all manner of subterranean death noodles. Among them, the Graboids. Though, the other stages of their lifecycle as seen in Tremors 2 and 4, are based on the need to sell movie tickets. I didn’t find much for Dirt Dragons, Shriekers, or Ass Blasters. The post-larval, teen, and fully grown Graboids respectively.

The Death Worm is alleged to exist in the Gobi Desert. Of course, it’s never been seen on account of not being real, but a few “samples” have been collected — which of course turned out to be Eryx tataricus or a Tartar Sand Boa. The worm was first described to western audiences in Roy Chapman Andrew’s 1926 book _On the Trail of Ancient Man_ in which he recounted Mongolian officials discussing the worm “None of those present ever had seen the creature, but they all firmly believed in its existence and described it minutely.”

Despite attempts to find the worm, like Ivan Mackerie’s 1990 to 1992 expedition to the Gobi, no non-snake evidence has ever been found. Of note about Ivan’s attempt: apparently inspired by Dune, he figured “why wouldn’t they be attracted the same way Shai-hulud is” and made his own mini-thumpers to try and attract the worms with a rhythmic beat. He later reported to the liberal use of explosives and then sifted through the debris.

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