Joel and Toast talk with film and gossip writer Sarah Marrs (co-host of The Hollywood Read) about the Oscar aspirations CATS once had, how those hopes crashed and burned, and what an underappreciated miracle it is how any movie comes together.

Referenced in this episode: CATS' song "Beautiful Ghosts" being nominated for a Grammy.

This episode's Joellicle Choice is Queen Elizabeth! Joel talks with her person Alexavier. You can find more photos of her and some of Alexavier's wonderful art on his Instagram.

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Original music by Jeremy Nasato.

Cover art by Tyler Donnelly.

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