In Motion Podcast
206 episodes - English - Latest episode: 21 days ago - ★★★★★ - 101 ratingsIn Motion is the content platform of Church on the Move in Tulsa, Oklahoma where we explore who Jesus is and how His life changes ours.
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Are You on the Path of Life? | Tell Me More
April 04, 2024 09:00 - 39 minutes - 54.1 MBIs Jesus offering us a hard and miserable life? At the end of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus unveils two distinct paths: one to life and one to death. The path to life is one of repentance and devotion – it requires leaving everything behind. But the treasure is worth the cost. In this episode, Whit and Casey explore the road to life Jesus sets out in the Sermon on the Mount and the historical and cultural impact of Christianity. Show notes: Listen to the Message: Easter 2024 | Ent...
Finding Purpose in Every Season: Getting Older & Embracing the Changes | Life in Motion
March 26, 2024 09:00 - 41 minutes - 57.2 MBChange is a constant in life. If you’re not prepared for a changing season, you can find yourself at loose ends, thinking, well, now what? It’s so important to find purpose wherever you’re at, and that happens best in godly community. In this episode, Jamie and Heather get vulnerable about where they’re at and how they can flourish in every area of their lives. If you’re feeling stuck in your season, this is a great episode for you. Show notes: In this episode, Jamie mentions ...
Navigating Jesus' Teachings on Money | Tell Me More
March 07, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 106 MBNothing can make us feel like a god quite like money––it gets to the heart of both our desires and our needs. In a world vying for our attention at every turn, Jesus challenges us to examine what truly has priority in our lives. You can’t serve God and money, so which will it be? In this episode, Whit and Casey break down Matthew 6:19-34. They talk about spiritual practices to decenter money from our lives, learning dependence on God, and more! Show notes: Listen to the message Nav...
How Should We Pray? | Tell Me More
February 29, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 114 MBWhy does prayer often feel awkward and uncomfortable? We often struggle with feelings of inadequacy, striving for the perfect words while missing the authentic connection with God. The basis of prayer is not performance but relationship. So, how should we pray? In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about their personal experiences with prayer, our misconceptions about God, and what Jesus had to say about prayer. Show notes: Listen to the Message How to Pray: https://youtu.be/vhdJb0...
Things I Would Tell My 20-Year Old Self | Life in Motion
February 27, 2024 10:00 - 58 minutes - 80.2 MBWhat advice would you give your younger self? In this episode, Jamie and Heather have a candid conversation about Heather turning 50 and the unexpected reflections and realizations that come with it. They talk about the complexities of aging, parenting, the pressures of social media, and living to the fullest in every season of life. Plus, they have a lot of fun along the way!
Whose Approval Are You Living For? | Tell Me More
February 22, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 113 MBWe live in a time where we can curate and present our lives for optimal praise and validation. Social media preys on a desire built into every human heart - the desire for approval. Wanting approval isn’t a bad thing. In fact, we’re hardwired for it. The question is, who are we seeking approval from? In this episode, Whit and Casey dive deeper into Matthew 6, shame and honor vs. guilt and innocence cultures, approval in the age of social media, and the transforming initiative of secrecy. ...
What Did Jesus Say About Marriage & Divorce? | Tell Me More
February 08, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 152 MBAt first glance, passages where Jesus addresses marriage and divorce are confusing at best and harsh at worst. But when we begin to peel back the layers and grasp the context, we see that Jesus is actually elevating our view of marriage. In this episode, Whit and Casey discuss interpreting difficult passages, covenantal commitment, and how marriage should look in the Kingdom of Jesus. Show notes: Listen to the message What Does the Bible Say About Marriage? https://youtu.be/q7yRHj7...
What Did Jesus Say About Anger and Lust? | Tell Me More
February 01, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 131 MBJesus pulls no punches in His Sermon on the Mount. He directly addresses the ways we tend to drift from His way of life. Rather than abolishing the wisdom of the past, He seeks to deepen and amplify it, infusing it with new relevance. In this episode, Whit, Blake, and Casey explore Matthew 5:17-30, what it means for Jesus to fulfill the law, and the pitfalls of anger and lust. Show notes: Watch the message: The Way Out of Anger and Lust https://youtu.be/3V2tgE3YYO0?si=A3Ry6GIqw...
Navigating Parenthood, Faith, and Open Doors in 2024 | Life in Motion
January 30, 2024 10:00 - 49 minutes - 68.4 MBSince they last recorded, Jamie and Heather have experienced significant milestones! With one child walking down the aisle and another navigating college, they've found themselves in a new season of parenting. In this episode, they talk about releasing control, the importance of community, walking through open doors without excuses, and their ins and outs for 2024! Show notes: Jamie mentions she is doing the Bible Recap challenge this year. You can join her here: https://www.thebibler...
The Beatitudes: Aligning Your Motives & Actions
January 25, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 122 MBChristianity is more than an adherence to certain beliefs. It’s an embodied faith, a process of becoming–– a way of life as taught and demonstrated by Jesus. In this episode, Casey and Whit talk about the last four beatitudes which urge us to be merciful, pure of heart, a peacemaker, and to expect opposition. What does it look like to live this out in 2024? Show notes: Listen to the message How to Be a Merciful Follower of Christ https://youtu.be/v7m7OlEkveA?si=5GF2pjQvV8NdV2wd
Beatitudes: An Invitation to Live Different in 2024
January 19, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 120 MBAccording to Sermon on the Mount, there’s a way to live that will make life better for you, but it might sound counterintuitive. In the first four beatitudes, Jesus invites you to be poor in spirit, to mourn, to be meek, and to hunger and thirst for righteousness, which may leave you thinking, wait, what? But we can explain. In this episode, Whit and Casey explore meme culture, Old Testament references, and the qualities of a Kingdom seeker. Show notes: Check out the message: How t...
How to Thrive: According to Jesus | Tell Me More
January 11, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 95.1 MBEvery community has a set of rules and values to live by; this is what it means to be us. That’s exactly what Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount is for Christians. In Matthew 5-7, Jesus gives us instructions for how to live in His new kingdom. He’s both forming an identity for the church and telling us how to be human. In this episode, Whit and Casey explore how the Sermon on the Mount should be understood and applied, and what it means to truly thrive. Show notes: Check out the message: Wh...
Boomers to Gen Z: How to Bridge the Generational Divide | Tell Me More
November 02, 2023 09:00 - 57 minutes - 79.5 MBIn a world where the pace of technological advancement is ever-increasing, we find ourselves navigating a divide between generations like never before. There is a forward momentum to a life with God. So, how do we relate to the people who came before us and the people coming after us? In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about passing the baton to future generations, leaving the past behind, and simple steps of obedience. Show Notes: Listen to the message: Navigating Generation...
What's God's End Game? | Tell Me More
October 27, 2023 09:00 - 1 hour - 82.5 MBHave you ever read a Bible story and thought, okay, but why? The Bible is filled with narratives, parables, and teachings that often leave us pondering the purpose behind God's actions. Some people avoid the "why" questions: Why did God create mankind? What's God's end game here? But they are necessary to get to the deeper truth: What God is going to do, He has been doing the whole time. In this episode, Whit and Lyndsey talk about the concept of Missio Dei, what God is up to in th...
Finding Peace in the Fixed Future | Tell Me More
September 28, 2023 09:00 - 36 minutes - 49.7 MBHow often do you think about the future? For many, thoughts of the future bring uncertainty and anxiety. But Revelation gives us a picture of the future, and (spoiler alert) God’s ultimate plan is fulfilled. This view of the future should change the way we live in the present. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about existential angst, the final battle at Armageddon, and living a life of purpose. Show notes: Listen to the message: https://youtu.be/pDvIlzPGBGU?si=mv...
Revelation: The Anti-Christ & The Mark of the Beast | Tell Me More
September 21, 2023 09:00 - 57 minutes - 79.2 MBFor many, the Anti-Christ is a figure that resides in the world of horror movies and fiction. But when we delve deeper into Revelation and look at history, we find that the idea of a charismatic and corrupt leader is not confined to the realms of fantasy. So, who is this anti-Christ, and what’s his mark? In this episode, Whit and Casey answer questions like, How do we avoid falling prey to magnetic leaders? Can you accidentally take the mark of the beast? Show notes: Listen to the mes...
Divine Judgment & Sacred Endurance | Tell Me More
September 14, 2023 09:00 - 55 minutes - 76 MBRevelation 6-8 takes us into the heart of a profound and often challenging aspect of the Bible: God's judgment. These chapters introduce us to the seven seals that contain divine judgment, and in doing so, they raise fundamental questions about God: Why does He judge? Why does He allow suffering? In this episode, Whit and Casey explore how we endure in the face of suffering, God’s mercy, and living with faithful confidence. Show notes: Listen to the message: https://youtu...
Art, Music, & Describing the Indescribable | Tell Me More
September 07, 2023 09:00 - 50 minutes - 68.7 MBHave you ever noticed how art bypasses logic and goes straight to our hearts? Art makes us ask, "What does it mean?" Revelation 4 & 5 are filled with artistic language that’s meant to function in this same way — to describe the indescribable. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about the spiritual dimension, how creativity connects us to God, and God’s will for humanity. Show notes: Listen to the message The Throne, the Scroll, & the Lamb: https://youtu.be/A21KX9KbGzo?si=l6Itbk...
Hear & Do: The Danger of Self-Reliance & Declining Love | Tell Me More
August 31, 2023 09:00 - 1 hour - 102 MBGod has chosen to speak primarily to and through His Church. But are we listening? Revelation 2-3 contains messages and warnings from Jesus through the apostle John. When we understand the cultural context of these letters, we can more accurately understand what the Spirit was saying and heed the message ourselves. In this episode, Whit and Casey discuss the dangers of defending truth apart from love, a self-sufficient mindset, and becoming disconnected from the Source. Show notes: Che...
Tell Me More About Approaching Revelation
August 24, 2023 09:00 - 47 minutes - 65.4 MBThe Book of Revelation has fascinated and perplexed readers for centuries. Some people view it as a code to be cracked, others as a scary book to be avoided. But one thing remains clear: the church needs it. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about how we should approach the book of Revelation and its significance both for the historical church and our personal journeys. Show notes: Watch the Message: https://youtu.be/pvaLuID0Avs
Approaching Revelation | Tell Me More
August 24, 2023 09:00 - 47 minutes - 65.4 MBThe Book of Revelation has fascinated and perplexed readers for centuries. Some people view it as a code to be cracked, others as a scary book to be avoided. But one thing remains clear: the church needs it. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about how we should approach the book of Revelation and its significance both for the historical church and our personal journeys. Show notes: Watch the Message: https://youtu.be/pvaLuID0Avs
How Should I View Money? | Tell Me More
August 17, 2023 09:00 - 22 minutes - 30.2 MBWhether you’ve got a lot or a little, money keeps a tight grip on our hearts. But when we shift our focus to God, we are willing to do whatever He asks. Trusting God with your resources is like putting a deposit in a heavenly place and allowing God to pay you back in His way and in His time. In this episode, Pastors Whit and Willie George talk about shifting their perspective on money, being connected to the God of endless supply, and radical generosity. Shownotes: Watch the Mes...
Tell Me More About How to View Money
August 17, 2023 09:00 - 22 minutes - 30.2 MBWhether you’ve got a lot or a little, money keeps a tight grip on our hearts. But when we shift our focus to God, we are willing to do whatever He asks. Trusting God with your resources is like putting a deposit in a heavenly place and allowing God to pay you back in His way and in His time. In this episode, Pastors Whit and Willie George talk about shifting their perspective on money, being connected to the God of endless supply, and radical generosity. Shownotes: Watch the Mes...
Tell Me More About Acknowledging the Lord
August 10, 2023 09:00 - 1 hour - 87.2 MBScripture is meant to be experienced, but we can’t experience it (and run the risk of shallow spirituality) if we’re simply reading it and moving on. In this episode, Casey and Whit dive into Proverbs 3:5-6. They challenge our approach to Jesus, address the pitfalls of rigid thinking, and reveal the importance of acknowledging God's presence in the everyday, mundane moments. Shownotes: Watch the Message: https://youtu.be/Wk2a0b7opXo In this episode, Whit mentions the book Jes...
Acknowledging the Lord in Everything | Tell Me More
August 10, 2023 09:00 - 1 hour - 87.2 MBScripture is meant to be experienced, but we can’t experience it (and run the risk of shallow spirituality) if we’re simply reading it and moving on. In this episode, Casey and Whit dive into Proverbs 3:5-6. They challenge our approach to Jesus, address the pitfalls of rigid thinking, and reveal the importance of acknowledging God's presence in the everyday, mundane moments. Shownotes: Watch the Message: https://youtu.be/Wk2a0b7opXo In this episode, Whit mentions the book Jes...
Bonus: Engaging Culture - “Barbie” Movie Review | Life in Motion
August 03, 2023 09:00 - 35 minutes - 48.8 MBMovies have the unique power to spark conversations and allow us to engage with different perspectives. As Christians, we have to look for opportunities to engage people. In this bonus episode, Jamie and Heather talk about what they thought of the "Barbie" movie. How do we talk about our value, our experience in the world, and even our bodies as women? Let’s talk about it! Disclaimer: This episode contains spoilers for the "Barbie" movie.
Are We Helping or Hurting? | Life in Motion
August 01, 2023 09:00 - 33 minutes - 45.6 MBA tension that arises as kids grow older is knowing when to help them and when to let them fend for themselves. It’s a tension that Heather and Jamie have yet to figure out, but they’re trying their best. And isn’t that all anyone can do? In this episode, they talk about knowing when to step in, raising unentitled kids, and things their families do that drive them crazy. Spoiler Alert: Community is key!
Family Matters | Life in Motion
July 25, 2023 09:00 - 48 minutes - 66.4 MBOur families are often the people who can drive us the craziest. But our closest relationships make us who we are. Jamie and Heather wonder if God put people so drastically different from them in their family to teach them how to communicate. In this episode, they talk about family values, embracing their differences, working through relational conflict, and leaning into the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Family is messy, but family matters.
Tell Me More About the Tension of Justice
July 20, 2023 09:00 - 55 minutes - 76.1 MBThere’s a tension when it comes to justice that we have to wrestle with: the tension of compassion and judgment, but also the tension of the individual and the community. Life isn’t black and white, and the Proverbs make this clear. So, in a complicated and broken world, how can we become people of justice? In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about the nature of justice, navigating nuanced situations, and reconciling the goodness of God with the injustice we still see in the world. Sho...
The Tension of Justice | Tell Me More
July 20, 2023 09:00 - 55 minutes - 76.1 MBThere’s a tension when it comes to justice that we have to wrestle with: the tension of compassion and judgment, but also the tension of the individual and the community. Life isn’t black and white, and the Proverbs make this clear. So, in a complicated and broken world, how can we become people of justice? In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about the nature of justice, navigating nuanced situations, and reconciling the goodness of God with the injustice we still see in the world. Sho...
When Are We Gonna Grow Up? | Life in Motion
July 18, 2023 09:00 - 34 minutes - 47.5 MBHave you ever wondered, "when will I feel like an adult?" Jamie and Heather sure have. As they watch their kids grow and mature, it's highlighted the areas they themselves still need to grow. But maybe it’s part of God’s design that we grow up with our kids. In this episode, they talk about crying on social media, retaining their youthfulness, and modeling maturity for their kids (well, trying).
Uncomfortable Conversations | Life in Motion
July 11, 2023 09:00 - 35 minutes - 48.2 MBHeather and Jamie have decided it’s time to have "the talk" with their younger kids. We often don’t talk about certain things because it feels too scary or complicated. But when we’re willing to tell the truth, we become safe places for our kids. In this episode, they tackle topics like walking in humility with your spouse, broaching uncomfortable conversations, and telling the truth – even when it’s painful or awkward. DISCLAIMER: this episode talks about sex and puberty, so be ...
Trusting God With the Big and the Small | Life in Motion
July 04, 2023 09:00 - 38 minutes - 52.8 MBDo you ever find that it’s easy to trust God with some things and hard to trust Him with others? We’re often selective about what we fully give to the Lord, especially when it comes to our kids. Parenting (especially young adults) has tested Jamie and Heather’s trust in God in big ways recently. In this episode, they talk about hair appointments, playing God, and trusting the Lord with their feelings: big and small.
Tell Me More About the Power of Words in Relationship
June 29, 2023 09:00 - 50 minutes - 69.5 MBYou’ve probably heard the old adage, “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.” And you’ve probably come to learn that it just simply isn’t true. Proverbs has a lot to say about the power of words: “The tongue has the power of life and death . . .” Proverbs 18:21. How we speak to each other, give and receive correction, and work through conflict matters. In this episode, Whit and Casey explore the power of words in our relationships. They discuss speaking with in...
The Power of Words in Relationship | Tell Me More
June 29, 2023 09:00 - 50 minutes - 69.5 MBYou’ve probably heard the old adage, “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.” And you’ve probably come to learn that it just simply isn’t true. Proverbs has a lot to say about the power of words: “The tongue has the power of life and death . . .” Proverbs 18:21. How we speak to each other, give and receive correction, and work through conflict matters. In this episode, Whit and Casey explore the power of words in our relationships. They discuss speaking with in...
What’s Influencing You? | Life in Motion
June 27, 2023 09:00 - 38 minutes - 52.6 MBIt’s easier than ever to be influenced by pop culture, celebrities, social media, etc. What you consume shapes and forms you. So, it begs the question, what are you being influenced by? In this episode, Jamie and Heather discuss a wide range of topics including the impossible pressures of social media, finding contentment, how a real relationship with Jesus completely changed the way they view success, and, naturally, Taylor Swift. Show notes: In this episode, they mention...
The Pathway to Maturity | Tell Me More
June 22, 2023 09:00 - 49 minutes - 68 MBWe've all been around full-grown adults that behave like children... and if you're being honest, you've likely been one of those adult children yourself. So, what do you do when you notice a pattern of immaturity in your life? In this episode, Whit George and Casey Shirley discuss the pathway to maturity. They talk about holding two character traits in tension: Submission and Agency. Learn how to address patterns of immaturity in various aspects of life and embrace your true identity a...
Tell Me More About The Pathway to Maturity
June 22, 2023 09:00 - 49 minutes - 68 MBWe've all been around full-grown adults that behave like children... and if you're being honest, you've likely been one of those adult children yourself. So, what do you do when you notice a pattern of immaturity in your life? In this episode, Whit George and Casey Shirley discuss the pathway to maturity. They talk about holding two character traits in tension: Submission and Agency. Learn how to address patterns of immaturity in various aspects of life and embrace your true identity a...
Can You Handle the Truth? | Life in Motion
June 20, 2023 09:00 - 34 minutes - 78.5 MBIs telling a lie ever okay? Are you hurting your relationships with the words you speak or don’t speak? To kick off their summer break, Heather and Jamie recently went to see a movie together that left them asking themselves these very questions. In this episode, they explore the nuance of communication, navigating people’s feelings, and telling the truth even when it’s hard. Show Notes: In this episode, they talk about the movie You Hurt My Feelings (Disclaimer: This movie is rat...
How God Brings Purpose to Pain | Tell Me More
June 01, 2023 09:00 - 48 minutes - 66.1 MBWhat should we make of the brokenness and suffering in our world? What is God in control of? In this episode, Whit sits down with one of our Tulsa Pastors, Chris Turner, to wrap up our series on Joseph. Chris shares about his experience of losing his mother and how that tragedy shaped his walk with God. They explore views on the sovereignty of God, how He can use evil for good, and get vulnerable about what it’s like to prepare and preach a message. Show Notes: Listen to the message: ht...
Tell Me More About How God Brings Purpose to Pain
June 01, 2023 09:00 - 48 minutes - 66.1 MBWhat should we make of the brokenness and suffering in our world? What is God in control of? In this episode, Whit sits down with one of our Tulsa Pastors, Chris Turner, to wrap up our series on Joseph. Chris shares about his experience of losing his mother and how that tragedy shaped his walk with God. They explore views on the sovereignty of God, how He can use evil for good, and get vulnerable about what it’s like to prepare and preach a message. Show Notes: Listen to the message: ht...
Tell Me More About the Nature of Forgiveness
May 25, 2023 09:00 - 54 minutes - 75.3 MBWhy should you forgive others? Is forgiving someone letting them off the hook? Forgiveness is at the core of the story of Joseph and at the core of the biblical message. It’s not as simple as forgive and forget. In fact, forgiveness, like most things in life, is complicated and nuanced. In this episode, Whit and Lyndsey talk about the stages of forgiveness and paint of picture of what biblical forgiveness truly is. Show Notes Listen to the Message: https://youtu.be/eE5MLgoYdPE Recommen...
The Nature of Forgiveness | Tell Me More
May 25, 2023 09:00 - 54 minutes - 75.3 MBWhy should you forgive others? Is forgiving someone letting them off the hook? Forgiveness is at the core of the story of Joseph and at the core of the biblical message. It’s not as simple as forgive and forget. In fact, forgiveness, like most things in life, is complicated and nuanced. In this episode, Whit and Lyndsey talk about the stages of forgiveness and paint of picture of what biblical forgiveness truly is. Show Notes Listen to the Message: https://youtu.be/eE5MLgoYdPE Recommen...
Seasons of Testing | Tell Me More
May 18, 2023 09:00 - 37 minutes - 51.4 MBWe often don’t approach tests of any kind with excitement. But it’s only through testing seasons in life that we’re given the opportunity to be forged shaped into who God created us to be and prepared for all that He has for us. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about the nature of tests, give some practical steps for setting boundaries, and wrestle with the complexity of life and faith. Show notes: Check out the blog: https://churchonthemove.com/understanding-testing-seasons/ ...
Tell Me More About Seasons of Testing
May 18, 2023 09:00 - 37 minutes - 51.4 MBWe often don’t approach tests of any kind with excitement. But it’s only through testing seasons in life that we’re given the opportunity to be forged shaped into who God created us to be and prepared for all that He has for us. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about the nature of tests, give some practical steps for setting boundaries, and wrestle with the complexity of life and faith. Show notes: Check out the blog: https://churchonthemove.com/understanding-testing-seasons/ L...
Tell Me More About Diligence in Hard Times
May 11, 2023 09:00 - 48 minutes - 67.2 MBWe’re living in a time where people often feel like they should only do things that connect with their dreams, heart, or purpose. But it was never Joseph’s dream to run an Egyptian household or prison. In this episode, Pastor Whit sits down with our Founding Pastor, Willie George, to talk more about the significance of diligence, desperation, and leaning in when things get hard. They share personal experiences of being diligent in hard times and some powerful insights from the story of Josep...
Diligence in Hard Times | Tell Me More
May 11, 2023 09:00 - 48 minutes - 67.2 MBWe’re living in a time where people often feel like they should only do things that connect with their dreams, heart, or purpose. But it was never Joseph’s dream to run an Egyptian household or prison. In this episode, Pastor Whit sits down with our Founding Pastor, Willie George, to talk more about the significance of diligence, desperation, and leaning in when things get hard. They share personal experiences of being diligent in hard times and some powerful insights from the story of Josep...
Tell Me More About Judah & Tamar
May 04, 2023 09:05 - 18 minutes - 25.1 MBThis is a special bonus episode of Tell Me More About! Whit and Casey dig into Genesis 38: the bizarre and seemingly out-of-place story of Judah and Tamar. Sometimes, you read something in the Bible and think woah, what is that? Why is this chapter included? How can we understand it in the context of the culture it was written in? It’s important not to blow past these instances but to turn back and investigate. So, that’s exactly what we’re going to do! Show notes: Listen to the T...
Judah & Tamar | Tell Me More
May 04, 2023 09:05 - 18 minutes - 25.1 MBThis is a special bonus episode of Tell Me More About! Whit and Casey dig into Genesis 38: the bizarre and seemingly out-of-place story of Judah and Tamar. Sometimes, you read something in the Bible and think woah, what is that? Why is this chapter included? How can we understand it in the context of the culture it was written in? It’s important not to blow past these instances but to turn back and investigate. So, that’s exactly what we’re going to do! Show notes: Listen to the T...
Tell Me More About In the Meantime Seasons
May 04, 2023 09:00 - 43 minutes - 59.7 MBWhit and Casey welcome a very special guest: Heather George! This past weekend’s message “In the Meantime” was taught from a pretty personal place in Whit’s life. In this episode, Whit and Heather share more about “In the Meantime” seasons in their own lives and dive deeper into Joseph’s journey in Genesis 39. They have open and honest dialogue about dealing with frustration in marriage, their own personal journeys of formation through adversity, embracing the season you’re in, what it mea...