Rachel's plant Sula produces a new shoot, and it reminds the hosts to stay hopeful and open to growth. Walls discusses Breonna Taylor, the failure of the US justice system, and the bold principals of abolition. Rachel has questions about prison abolition and what remaking our justice system would actually look like. She shares a family story about how personal justice can be. Our title this week is from Onnissia's poem, read in the episode.


How are you staying hopeful right now? Is the concept of prison abolition new to you? What does justice look like to you? Send a voice memo or an email to [email protected]. You can also DM us on social media: IG @withrachelandwalls + Twitter @rachelandwalls.


Music by Royer Bockus


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