Every episode we invite a special guest to talk with us about games, life, and belief. This week we talk to Shane Liesegang of multiple games including Skyrim, Fallout 4, and God of War (2018). Leaving the world of active game design for a religious life as a Jesuit Scholastic Drew and Chris talk to Shane about the "Society of Jesus" and how it has affected his outlook on the world as a designer of systems.