Clapping On The 2 and 4 With Bishop Flunder

Bishop Yvette Flunder joins the show for a fantastic conversation about radical inclusivity in the church, what's beautiful and where the church can do better. She is the Senior Pastor of City of Refuge Church of Christ in Oakland, which was Walter Hawkins' church until his passing. She is also the voice  - yes THAT voice - behind the classic gospel song, Thank You. She and Kirk dig a little deeper to talk about being fully human (within the church body), synergizing our secular and spiritual selves and the invisibility of same gender loving people in the church. Whew!  And there's MORE. This is a must hear show.