A decade ago, Kyle MacDonald exchanged a paper clip for something a little more valuable, and so on and so on, until he had a home. His success went viral and inspired a fad, which gained traction during the pandemic. We talk to two college graduates with student loan debt who gave the trade-up fad a shot. And, the Milwaukee Bucks won the NBA Finals, beating out the Phoenix Suns. A. Sherrod Blakely, an NBA commentator, joins us to wrap up the season.