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Healthy Church Podcast

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The Healthy Church Podcast is an honest conversation about what it means to be a part of a healthy church. There are no perfect churches - because they’re all filled with imperfect people led by imperfect leaders. But by God’s grace we can begin to dialogue about what changes can be made in our lives as leaders, and in the churches we serve, in order to better Love God and His people. For more information and other resources go to HealthyChurchPodcast.Com.

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HCP - Ep. 196 - 4 C’s of Gethsemane Prayer

March 26, 2024 11:00 - 35 minutes - 24.1 MB

HCP - Ep. 196 - 4 C’s of Gethsemane Prayer On this Podcast Larry and Drew discuss the prayer of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. This was when the disciples are sleeping, before being arrested and just before His trials and crucifixion.  Jesus modeled for us different aspects of what Prayer can do for us, in us and through us.   Jesus communed with the Father, received clarity from the Father, was filled with composure and yet still contended for the disciples.  (This concept was inspire...

HCP - Ep. 195 - Spaciousness (w Heidi Sorrells)

March 19, 2024 11:00 - 36 minutes - 25.1 MB

HCP - Ep. 195 - Spaciousness (w Heidi Sorrells) On this episode, Larry and Drew welcome Healthy Church Solutions Pastors Advocate Heidi Sorrells to talk about this idea of Spaciousness. Often in ministry we feel trapped, closed in, surrounded, but Heidi challenges us to consider that God calls us to abundance and life and that even in difficult moments of life, we can know wider places. If you’re tired and feeling like life and ministry is closing in - listen to this one! You can email us ...

HCP - Ep. 194 - Kevin Marsico (3 Thirds of Discipleship)

March 12, 2024 11:00 - 38 minutes - 26.5 MB

HCP - Ep. 194 - Kevin Marsico (3 Thirds) On this episode of the Healthy Church Podcast, Larry and Drew welcome friend Kevin Marsico to the podcast. Kevin is the VP of Acceleration for Dynamic Church Planting International -  DCPI. Larry and Kevin give highlights from their time at the Exponential Conference and then Kevin shares what he calls the 3 Thirds (Belief, Skills, Practice and Looking Back, Looking Up, and Looking Forward) of Discipleship. Kevin talks about how the body of Christ ca...

HCP - Ep. 193 - REPOST of Ep. 165 - Leading Organizational Change

March 04, 2024 12:00 - 37 minutes - 25.9 MB

HCP - Ep. 165 - Leading Organizational Change It’s never easy, but it’s necessary! We must change at times. We never change our mission or message, but we MUST change our methods in order to advance the mission of Jesus forward. On this podcast, Larry and Drew discuss what it takes to make major organizational changes. Larry gave us a process that looks like this: Increase urgency Build guiding teams Get the Vision right Communication of buy-in Enable action Create short-term wins Do...

HCP - Ep. 192 - 5 Discipleship Environments

February 27, 2024 12:00 - 37 minutes - 25.6 MB

HCP - Ep. 192 - 5 Discipleship Environments On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew continue some of the conversation from the interview with Jeff Vanderstelt. Jeff mentions in his new book 180: A Return to Disciple making, 5 different environments for discipleship. Some refer to these as the Biblical numbers of Jesus’s ministry. They offer a great breakdown of different group sizes and focuses where discipleship can happen both individually and with others. Check out Jeff’s book at the ...

HCP - Ep. 191 - Special Guest Jeff Vanderstelt

February 20, 2024 12:00 - 41 minutes - 28.6 MB

HCP - Ep. 191 - Special Guest Jeff Vanderstelt On this podcast Larry and Drew welcome Author and Pastor Jeff Vanderstelt. Jeff is the founder of the Soma family of Churches and Visionary Director of Saturate. Jeff has served at Churches as large as Willow Creek Community Church in Chicago, and as small as the house church he currently shepherds. He has a heart for soul health and discipleship in the leadership of the church. He’s just finished a new book called “180: A Return to Disciple-ma...

HCP - Ep. 190 - Prayer and Fasting (P.2 - 10 Biblical Fasts)

February 13, 2024 12:00 - 38 minutes - 26.6 MB

HCP - Ep. 190 - 10 Biblical Fasts On this episode of the HCP, Larry shares 10 fasts from scripture that deal with different aspects of fasting and what we’re hoping to accomplish or how we’re asking god to move. These 10 ideas come from Elmer Towns book “Fasting for Spiritual Breakthrough” “Fasting for Spiritual Breakthrough” - Elmer Towns https://www.amazon.com/Fasting-Spiritual-Breakthrough-Practical-Biblical/dp/0764218395/ref=sr_1_1?crid=XDQWK3FYW5IC&keywords=fasting+for+spiritual+brea...

HCP - Ep. 189 - Prayer and Fasting (P.1 - 5 Steps)

February 06, 2024 12:00 - 38 minutes - 26.2 MB

HCP - Ep. 189 - Prayer and Fasting (P.1 - 5 Steps) The Bible talks about fasting as something that is expected in the life of the believer, and on this podcast Larry and Drew discuss how this is a difficult but important spiritual discipline to learn. Larry gives 5 simple considerations to begin your fasting journey and the guys discuss the benefits and Biblical precedence for how fasting is a blessing when added to your prayer life. You can email us at [email protected] or To...

HCP - Ep. 188 - Dealing with Ism’s - Radical Individualism

January 29, 2024 12:00 - 37 minutes - 25.7 MB

HCP - Ep. 188 - Dealing with Ism’s - Radical Individualism Every church pastor is dealing with “radical individualism” either in his own heart or in his congregation. Part of our sin nature is to make everything about us. Part of being American is to celebrate our “rugged individual spirit”, it’s the American way - but is it Jesus’ way? Without exception Jesus and the Apostles call us to connectedness and life together. On this podcast Larry and Drew discuss what it means to have Interdepen...

HCP - Ep. 187 - 5 Spiritual Laws

January 25, 2024 21:00 - 39 minutes - 27.4 MB

HCP - Ep. 187 - 5 Spiritual Laws On this podcast Larry shares 5 Spiritual Laws that can help guide leaders in their calling.  You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com or find us on FaceBook! For a video of today’s podcast, you can find it on FaceBook or YouTube!

HCP - Ep. 186 - Identity In Christ

January 16, 2024 12:00 - 39 minutes - 27.4 MB

HCP - Ep. 186 - Identity In Christ As leaders we often attach our personal identity to our successes, failures, titles, or other faulty foundations. As believers in Jesus, we should always find our identity in Him alone, not our wins or losses, not our numbers or failures, but only in Jesus. Larry offers some great examples of lies we believe and postures we should have to truly find our IDENTITY in Jesus. You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about...

10 Things to STOP Doing This Year!

January 09, 2024 12:00 - 35 minutes - 24.7 MB

HCP - Ep. 185 - 10 Things to STOP Doing This Year! On this podcast Larry picks 10 things from Carey Nieuwhof’s list of 42 things to stop doing for more productivity this year. It’s so easy as church leaders to fill our calendars and lives with a million things and before we now it, we can become exhausted, jaded, or even completely burn out. Maybe you need to slow down this year a little bit and this list can help you rethink some priorities this year.  For Carey’s List  - https://careynie...

HCP - Ep. 184 - 5 Priorities for the New Year (plus 1)

January 02, 2024 06:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MB

HCP - Ep. 184 - 5 Priorities for the New Year (plus 1) What should we as church leaders be focused on for the new year? It’s easy to start the year on the wrong things. On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew discuss 5 important things to consider and focus on this year. After breaking each of those down, Larry adds one important one that MUST be considered. You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www...

HCP - Ep. 183 - 5 Steps to SOLITUDE

December 26, 2023 12:00 - 37 minutes - 25.6 MB

HCP - Ep. 183 - 5 Steps to SOLITUDE On this pod, Larry and Drew talk about the extremely overlooked and under realized spiritual discipline of SOLITUDE. Many times in the Gospels, we see Jesus slipping away to have time with the Father for solitude, so what excuse do we have? Busyness, control, apathy may be some of the reasons we choose to not make moments of solitude happen in our lives. The guys challenge listeners in this Christmas season to be intentional about some moments of solitude...

HCP - Ep. 182 - The Goal (Intimacy) and Means (Discipline)

December 19, 2023 16:00 - 35 minutes - 24.2 MB

HCP - Ep. 182 - The Goal (Intimacy) and Means (Discipline) On this podcast Larry and Drew discuss the ultimate goal as a believer in Jesus to have INTIMACY with the Father, but the only way to get there is through Spiritual disciplines. It’s easy to have passion and more challenging to follow through further with discipline. The guys discuss different ways to have a disciplined walk/ministry with Jesus and for it all to flow from your intimacy with Him.  You can email us at info@healthychu...

HCP - Ep. 181 - Be All There - Vision (p2)

December 13, 2023 22:00 - 37 minutes - 25.9 MB

HCP - Ep. 181 - Be All There - Vision (p2) Larry and Drew revisit the Vision conversation they started a couple of weeks ago. Not matter if you’re a church planter dreaming about the vision God has given you or a seasoned pastor with many years in the saddle - God wants to give us all vision for our lives, families and ministries. Larry also discusses the Vision Frame by Will Mancini from “Church Unique”.   You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information abou...

HCP - Ep. 180 - 7 Values of Godly Men

December 06, 2023 23:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MB

HCP - Ep. 180 - 7 Values of Godly Men On this episode of the HCP, Drew shares some content from a talk he gave to the men of his church. This content included 7 values of Godly men. The conversation starts in Gen. 3 around the fall of man and the silence of Adam. Men are named “the remembering one” in Gen. 1 and called to remember and lead others to remember.  Some of this content comes from “The Silence of Adam” by Larry Crabb.  For a copy of these values please email us - address below....

HCP - Ep. 179 - Be All There

November 28, 2023 16:00 - 36 minutes - 25 MB

HCP - Ep. 179 - Be All There On this podcast Larry starts by quoting Jim Elliot and the comment “Wherever you are be all there”. This discussion leads to a conversation about vision and hope and even spiritual disciplines that move us toward God’s presence where He can use us for His glory. You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com or find us on FaceBook! For a video of today...

HCP - Ep. 178 - Be All There

November 28, 2023 16:00 - 36 minutes - 25 MB

HCP - Ep. 178 - Be All There On this podcast Larry starts by quoting Jim Elliot and the comment “Wherever you are be all there”. This discussion leads to a conversation about vision and hope and even spiritual disciplines that move us toward God’s presence where He can use us for His glory. You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com or find us on FaceBook! For a video of today...

HCP - Ep. 178 - REPOST - Balancing Family and Ministry

November 23, 2023 04:00 - 40 minutes - 27.5 MB

HCP - Ep. 178 - REPOST - Balancing Family and Ministry This is a repost from a previous post, but because of the holidays we thought it to be important to be reminded of what should come first in our lives. REPOST - HCP - Ep. 162 - Balancing Family and Ministry Too often pastors sacrifice their families on the altar of ministry. There are countless ministry marriages that are on the brink of division or divorce because a pastor has prioritized his ministry over his marriage. On this epis...

HCP - Ep. 177 - Special Needs Ministry (Dr. Russell Threet)

November 14, 2023 16:00 - 32 minutes - 22.5 MB

HCP - Ep. 177 - Special Needs Ministry (Dr. Russell Threet) On this episode, Heidi and Drew welcome Dr. Russell Threet to the podcast. Dr. Threet is a Biblical Counselor and Pastor at West Park Baptist in Ozark, AR, and the parent of a special needs child. Often the church doesn’t realize one of the largest groups of people who need Jesus are families with special needs children. It’s hard for them to attend. It’s hard especially for a smaller church to care for special needs children. But ...

HCP - Ep. 176 - Releasing Your Grip

November 07, 2023 16:00 - 35 minutes - 24.5 MB

HCP - Ep. 176 - Releasing Your Grip Letting go of control is never easy. Often the personality make up of pastors and church leaders is one that thrives in making decisions and and being in charge to some degree. But we must learn to let go at times. The Apostles had to let go in Acts 6 and focus on the Word and prayer and give other leadership and service opportunities to those around them. What do you need to let go of?  You can email us at [email protected] or To find more ...

HCP - Ep. 175 - Shepherding When People Leave

October 31, 2023 15:00 - 37 minutes - 25.7 MB

HCP - Ep. 175 - Shepherding When People Leave Some people have called it the Great Exodus of people from the church, but no matter how you see it, a LOT of people are leaving the church. The American church in many ways is in decline. How do we as pastors deal with the pain of our people leaving? How do we keep our hearts tender toward people, and our skin thick from criticism. How do we shepherd our own souls through these moments. How do we love new people knowing the risk of them possibl...

HCP - Ep. 174 - Ministry for the Long Haul (Part 2)

October 24, 2023 11:00 - 39 minutes - 27 MB

HCP - Ep. 174 - Ministry for the Long Haul (Part 2) This is the second half of a conversation about longevity in ministry, but Larry and Drew give specifics on how to assess where you are and how to help extend your effective years in ministry.  You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com or find us on FaceBook! For a video of today’s podcast, you can find it on FaceBook or You...

HCP - Ep. 173 - Ministry for the Long Haul

October 18, 2023 22:00 - 42 minutes - 29.4 MB

HCP - Ep. 173 - Ministry for the Long Haul On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew discuss what it takes to endure in ministry for a long time. This conversation comes out of Larry celebrating 50 years in ministry this year and what he’s learned along the way about how to continue through difficult seasons and to trust God in the middle of whatever you’re walking through.  You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go ...

HCP - Ep. 172 - The Power of Worship

October 11, 2023 15:00 - 37 minutes - 25.7 MB

HCP - Ep. 172 - The Power of Worship On this pod, Larry and Drew discuss how worship plays such a vital role in our relationship with God and our leadership. They discuss the story of Mary and Martha and how often church leaders stress over so much more than leading our people to know and love Jesus and to stay in His presence. You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com or find...

HCP - Ep. 171 - (Guests - The Kennedy’s)

October 03, 2023 16:00 - 27 minutes - 18.9 MB

HCP - Ep. 171 - Guest - The Kennedy’s On this pod, Larry and Drew are out and Heidi hosts by welcoming some BMA interns who are an entergetic couple on mission and in ministry in Mena, AR. Anthony and Adrienne Kennedy are being used of the Lord greatly in Anthony’s home church and in many ways for discipleship. ALSO! Don’t forget to REGISTER for RECHARGE in OKC, OK!!  http://bmaamerica.org/recharge/ You can email us at [email protected] or To find more information about The...

HCP - Ep. 170 - Guest Donny Parrish (Lifeword)

September 27, 2023 14:00 - 42 minutes - 29.5 MB

HCP - Ep. 170 - Guest Donny Parrish (Lifeword) On this podcast, Larry and Drew welcome Lifeword Executive Director, Donny Parrish. Donny oversees the ministry of Lifeword that broadcast Gospel programming in over 150 languages around the world. On this podcast Donny shares about Lifeword’s ministry, the upcoming Lifeword Sunday, and the new discipleship initiative FOLLOW! For more info on Lifeword go to: www.Lifeword.org or  WeTellTheStory.com ALSO! Don’t forget to REGISTER for RECHAR...

HCP - Ep. 169 - Hard Choices, Hard Changes

September 20, 2023 23:00 - 42 minutes - 28.9 MB

HCP - Ep. 169 - Hard Choices, Hard Changes On this pod - Larry and Drew talk about leadership and leadership inevitably comes with hard choices and change. You can try and avoid it and maintain status quo, but that won’t get you new results, or help you more obedient to the mission of Jesus. At some point in your leadership journey you will face hard choices, they have to be made. Someone’s feelings may get hurt or someone may leave your church. Larry and Drew discuss how to process this re...

HCP - Ep. 168 - Special Guest Buddy Mullins

September 12, 2023 15:00 - 39 minutes - 27 MB

HCP - Ep. 168 - Special Guest Buddy Mullins On this episode of the HCP - Larry and Drew welcome long time friend of Larry’s, Buddy Mullins. Singer/Songwriter and guest artist for the ReCHARGE conference coming up Oct. 4-6 in Moore, OK. Get to know Buddy! Buddy Mullins is best known as an outstanding vocal artist and was inducted into the Gospel Music Association’s Hall of Fame for his time singing with the Grammy and Dove Award winning Gaither Vocal Band.  He has travelled and sung his en...

HCP - Ep. 167 - Redeeming Our Time

September 06, 2023 01:00 - 39 minutes - 27.3 MB

HCP - Ep. 167 - Redeeming Our Time On this podcast Larry shares 7 tips on how to understand the value of the time we have and how to best steward that time to glorify God. The Bible gives us many directives about living with an awareness of the time we have and Eph. 5 talks about “redeeming the time because the days we are in are evil”. Being aware of our time, managing our time, stewarding our time involve good leadership as well as an obedience to observe the sabbath. How well do you mana...

HCP - Ep. 166 - Helping Churches Get Healthy (with Guest Chris Yeager)

August 29, 2023 22:00 - 40 minutes - 28 MB

HCP - Ep. 166 - Helping Churches Get Healthy (with Guest Chris Yeager) On this episode, Larry and Drew welcome guest Chris Yeager to the podcast. Chris is the Missions Director for the BMA of Mississippi. Chris talks about his desire to help churches to be as healthy as they can be and he mentioned a process of Renovation, Revitalization and Replanting. Chris has served in many states as a church planter and is now serving the BMA churches of MS. You can email us at info@healthychurchpodca...

HCP - Ep. 165 - Leading Organizational Change

August 23, 2023 15:00 - 37 minutes - 25.9 MB

HCP - Ep. 165 - Leading Organizational Change It’s never easy, but it’s necessary! We must change at times. We never change our mission or message, but we MUST change our methods in order to advance the mission of Jesus forward. On this podcast, Larry and Drew discuss what it takes to make major organizational changes. Larry gave us a process that looks like this: Increase urgency Build guiding teams Get the Vision right Communication of buy-in Enable action Create short-term wins Do...

HCP - Ep. 164 - Leading Through Church Discipline (Part 2)

August 15, 2023 23:00 - 39 minutes - 27.1 MB

HCP - Ep. 164 - Leading Through Church Discipline (Part 2) On this episode, Larry gives us several reasons for Biblical church discipline and they might surprise you. He also shares about a recent season at his home church where they had to walk out this very topic as a result of unrepentant sin in the life of some of their people. Church discipline is always to be restorative not punitive. Our hearts must always be that we long to see our people reconciled to Jesus and His church. You can...

HCP - Ep. 163 - Leading Through Church Discipline (part 1)

August 09, 2023 15:00 - 36 minutes - 25.2 MB

HCP - Ep. 163 - Leading Through Church Discipline (part 1) One of the most difficult things to do in ministry is to follow the Biblical directive of church discipline. Some churches and leaders have led poorly through this and others have avoided it all together. In this podcast Larry and Drew talk about what it should look like from a loving and relationship perspective to encourage people to obedience in Jesus. Church discipline should never be punitive but restorative, and always done in...

HCP - Ep. 162 - Balancing Family and Ministry

August 01, 2023 11:00 - 40 minutes - 27.5 MB

HCP - Ep. 162 - Balancing Family and Ministry Too often pastors sacrifice their families on the altar of ministry. There are countless ministry marriages that are on the brink of division or divorce because a pastor has prioritized his ministry over his marriage. On this episode, we discuss that tension and what needs to happen in the church and in our relationships to protect our families and help disciple the church to love families in ministry well. Larry mentions a few important steps t...

HCP - Ep. 161 - Resources for Missional Neighboring

July 25, 2023 11:00 - 35 minutes - 24.5 MB

HCP - Ep. 161 - Resources for Missional Neighboring On the podcast, Larry and Drew discuss the topic and Great Commandment to LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR! We know it, we teach it, do we do it? What does this look like for our congregations. There are several suggestions and resources given in this conversation that could help you encourage your people to be more present in the lives of those around us with the intentionality to take the Gospel to them but only after building a relationship. Witnessi...

HCP - Ep. 160 - Live SENT!

July 18, 2023 11:00 - 34 minutes - 24 MB

HCP - Ep. 160 - Live SENT! On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew discuss what missional living should look like. Often we are creatures of habit and just fall into the routine of church events and status quo and forget to live with an awareness of those who need Jesus around us all the time. What does it look like to be SENT by Jesus to our neighborhoods, work environments, and other areas where we are already frequenting. Maybe we just need to have more awareness to opportunities to b...

HCP - Ep. 159 - Evaluating Your Ministry #2 - Is Our Church Dying?

July 11, 2023 11:00 - 29 minutes - 20.6 MB

HCP - Ep. 159 - Evaluation #2 - Is Our Church Dying? On this podcast Larry and Drew continue their discussion about evaluating ministry. Many church leaders are really struggling in this season of ministry and asking hard questions about sustainability and even the scary reality that their church may actually be dying. In this conversation they discuss different strategy and imperatives of all churches and having hope and optimism as we labor for Christ in sharing the Gospel and walking lif...

HCP - Ep. 158 - Faith, Family, FITNESS (with Guest Ben Barker)

July 04, 2023 11:00 - 37 minutes - 26 MB

HCP - Ep. 158 - Faith, Family, FITNESS (with Guest Ben Barker) On this episode of the HCP Larry and Drew welcome fitness expert and Larry’s son Ben Barker to the podcast. You can’t consider overall health of pastors and leaders and not include a consideration of physical health. It is just as important as Soul Health, Emotional Health, Relational Health, Financial Health, or Spiritual Health. Ben encourages us to consider how we might make small changes in our diet and exercise that may res...

HCP - Ep. 157 - Evaluating Your Ministry

June 27, 2023 11:00 - 39 minutes - 26.8 MB

HCP - Ep. 157 - Evaluating Your Ministry On this podcast, Larry and Drew discuss the healthy habit of evaluation. Whether you’re new to a ministry context or yearly discussing what you should consider for the upcoming ministry season. Evaluation helps you take a hard look at things you’ve done good and bad, where you stand today and what the Lord might want to do in your ministry in the future. Figuring out what God wants you to do as a leader, team & church.  Define what success is.  Sp...

HCP - Ep. 156- 4 Areas of Pride

June 20, 2023 11:00 - 42 minutes - 29.4 MB

HCP - Ep. 156- 4 Areas of Pride On this podcast Larry and Drew discuss 4 different areas where pride can work deceptively in our hearts and lives as leaders and how we need to actively seek to apply the Gospel of Jesus to each of these. Pride was the original sin that kicked Lucifer out of Heaven and what deceived Adam and Eve as well. Don’t let this allusive sin cause you a fall, deal with these issues now.  These concepts come from J.D. Greer's book "The Gospel" https://www.amazon.com/G...

HCP - Ep. 155 - Leadership Traps

June 13, 2023 16:00 - 37 minutes - 25.5 MB

HCP - Ep. 155 - Leadership Traps As human beings, church leaders have to be careful to watch for pitfalls of our humanity and traps that arise in ministry. It’s an ongoing battle to fight our flesh and rest and trust in our God to guard our hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. On this episode, the guys discuss 7 traps we need to be aware of. These ideas come from www.pastormentor.com and Drew and Larry add to those points from their years in ministry in the church as well. You can email us at...

HCP - Ep 154 - (Repost) 7 Observed Traits of the BEST Leaders

June 07, 2023 14:00 - 33 minutes - 23 MB

**This post is a REPOST of our Ep. 117 ** HCP - Ep. 117 - 7 Observed Traits of the BEST Leaders On this episode of the Healthy Church Podcast, Larry and Drew discuss a great post from Ron Edmonson on what Great Leadership qualities look like.  Often we give best practices or strategies for leaders, but what we like about this list is these traits have already been proven and these are habits of great men and women.  After we talk trough these, maybe you’ll want to take this list and ask y...

HCP - Ep. 153 - Leadership Development

May 30, 2023 15:00 - 39 minutes - 27.4 MB

HCP - Ep. 153 - Leadership Development On this Episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew discuss how pastors should be actively engaging in leadership development. Who is serving well, discipling well and assuming leadership roles currently. Those men and women rise to the top of leadership consideration. Larry brings some notes from a Mac Lake blog that discusses how to help move new leaders through a process of growth and development.  You can email us at [email protected] or To fi...

HCP - Ep. 152 - 5 Characteristics of a Multiplying Leader

May 23, 2023 11:00 - 36 minutes - 25.4 MB

HCP - Ep. 152 - 5 Characteristics of a Multiplying Leader On this podcast, Larry and Drew discuss a recent podcast of JD Greear’s where he discussed content from His book. “Gaining By Losing”. He talked about these 5 characteristics and Larry and Drew add to those ideas with their own stories and pastoral and ministry experience. Greear says the “future belongs to churches that send”, and this conversation will be the first of 2 that discuss aspects of leadership development and multiplicat...

HCP - Ep. 151 - The 4 G’s of Gospel Fluency

May 16, 2023 11:00 - 28 minutes - 19.3 MB

HCP - Ep. 151 - The 4 G’s of Gospel Fluency On this episode Larry and Drew begin season 3 with a conversation around a gospel tool meant for personal use as much as to equip and bless others. This tool comes from Jeff Vanderstelt and his book Gospel Fluency.  We each need to be reminded regularly that the Gospel of Jesus should be applied to every area of our lives. There are times where we feel anxious because we’re not in control or when we fear people and live from a place of codependen...

HCP - Ep. 150 - Missionary Care Recap

May 09, 2023 11:00 - 35 minutes - 24.1 MB

HCP - Ep. 150 - Missionary Care Recap On this episode Larry and Drew recap the Missionary Care Conference they were both just a part of. They discuss the session topics and insight on aspects of the conference and how the Lord moved and met needs of missionaries from around the world. Those topics included Soul Care, Marriage and Family, and Team Dynamics. All of these are applicable to all church leadership and mission scenarios.  You can email us at [email protected] or To f...

HCP - Ep. 149 - Mobilizing for Mission (Guest John David Smith)

May 02, 2023 14:00 - 31 minutes - 21.8 MB

HCP - Ep. 149 - Mobilizing for Mission (Guest John David Smith) On this episode - Larry and Drew welcome President of BMA Global, John David Smith to the podcast. He shares about the Word, the World and the Work we have to mobilize the church toward mission. This is a powerful podcast that will inspire your church or your own heart toward more obedience to the Great Commission of Jesus. Toward the end, the guys also discuss John David’s 444 mile bike ride to raise money for missions. For m...

HCP - Ep. 148 - Coaching (Guest Dr. Keith Webb)

April 25, 2023 11:00 - 35 minutes - 24.3 MB

HCP - Ep. 148 - Coaching (Guest Keith Webb) On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew welcome Author and Coaching expert Dr. Keith Webb to the podcast. Keith is the Author of “The Coach Model” and founder of Creative Results Management. As church leaders, there are a myriad of opportunities to coach leaders in our congregations. Keith shares about what it means to listen well and “draw” out people in conversations that will help them get to the next level of leadership and growth.  For mo...