Co-owner/business director of Permanent Hangover and packaging extraordinaire Cam Bosch made his way up north for an overnight in Milo! Though he packages beer by day (first at Bissell, now at Oxbow), his side hustle for the last couple years has been helping grow and develop Permanent Hangover alongside its founder, Andy Godish. Perma Hang occupies a small, hard-to-define space of companies and brands that, despite not actually producing beer, have become undeniably relevant through their creative and intelligent commentary on the brewing industry itself. Our conversation touches on the value of self-parody, brand authenticity, an entity known as "Glassy", the merits of sending dog shit through the mail, and a glut of other topics both Noah and Matty found totally interesting. This episode was recorded (with appropriate attention to safety) as quarantine become the norm in Maine, and hopefully it serves as good a break for the madness for you as it did for us.