In this episode, Cathy interviews Ricardo Justus and Ricardo Laganaro of ARVORE. The team recently won a Primetime Emmy for Outstanding Innovation in Interactive Programming. The ARVORE team is one of the first studios to use the Oculus Quest's hand tracking for an interactive VR experience, The Line. Cathy is part of the Executive Committee of the Television Academy's Interactive Media Peer Group, the group responsible for deciding who gets this award.  The line is one of the virtual reality winners this year.