Fringe Legal
91 episodes - English - Latest episode: 2 months ago - ★★★★★ - 21 ratingsThe Fringe Legal Podcast is a collection of conversations with legal innovators on how to put ideas into practice. Each episode is a discussion with a change-maker who shares their ideas, insights, and lessons from their journey.
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Law Firm Revenue Management with Ayora.ai - The $36 Billion Opportunity
February 14, 2024 14:03 - 33 minutes - 30.7 MBIn this episode of the Fringe Legal podcast, host Ab interviews Stefan Ciesla, the co-founder and CEO of Ayora ai, a startup that focuses on helping law firms manage their revenues and improve the revenue management skills of fee earners such as attorneys and lawyers. Steven discusses the problem Ayora is solving in the legal industry and the role of lawyers as revenue managers. He explains that fee earners often have to make revenue management decisions throughout a matter's life...
Building a tech-enabled culture in law firms
January 16, 2024 11:14 - 34 minutes - 31.5 MBIn this episode of the Fringe Legal podcast, host Ab chats with Conan Hines, Director of Legal Technology at Fried Frank, about building a tech-enabled culture in law firms. Conan shares insights from his previous roles at Clifford Chance and other law firms, highlighting the importance of understanding the role of legal technology and the psychology and behavior of users when it comes to successful adoption and change management. Conan emphasizes the need for building trust with l...
Reinventing Associate Training with Abdi Shayesteh (AltaClaro)
October 12, 2023 06:43 - 43 minutes - 59.2 MBWhile technology races ahead, improving legal training and education has lagged behind. Law schools excel at teaching students the law, but critical and practical skills development is often lacking. With the traditional law firm apprenticeship model fading, junior lawyers frequently lack opportunities to gain hands-on experience. Abdi Shayesteh, founder and CEO of the legal training platform AltaClaro, is on a mission to close this practical skills gap. Frustrated by the inefficie...
Workflow Reimagined: How Generative AI Transforms Legal Operations
September 15, 2023 06:12 - 42 minutes - 58.8 MBAs part of our series of examining Generative AI in Practice, Fringe Legal spoke with Stephanie Corey, founder of legal operations consultancy UpLevel Ops, and Brandi Pack, UpLevel’s Legal Tech Analyst & AI Consultant. They share how legal teams can thoughtfully leverage generative AI to transform workflows, augment human skills, and futureproof roles. With proper governance and training, we can keep pace with the evolution of AI and maximize its potential. Show notes: Show Notes:...
Moving Past The AI Hype - A Conversation With LexisNexis' Jeff Pfeifer
September 08, 2023 06:59 - 29 minutes - 40.6 MBWe sat down with Jeff Pfeifer, Chief Product Officer at LexisNexis during ILTACON 2023 to get his insights on legal AI progress, hype versus reality, increased law firm adoption, and the importance of demonstrating tangible benefits. Topics covered: Navigating the legal AI hype cycle AI’s potential to enhance legal workflows Growing law firm interest and hands-on exploration Avoiding the “trough of disillusionment” Real-world benefits driving adoption over hype
Definely’s Blueprint for Disrupting Contract Workflows
August 14, 2023 14:38 - 30 minutes - 42.5 MBIn this episode of Fringe Legal, host Abhijat Saraswat interviews Nnamdi Emelifeonwu and Feargus MacDaeid, co-founders of legal tech startup Definely. Key Takeaways: Definely creates software plugins to simplify drafting, reviewing, and analyzing legal contracts in Microsoft Word using AI/ML. The idea originated from Feargus' need as a blind lawyer to access information in documents more easily. They validated demand with a scrappy prototype and early pilots despite its flaws. ...
Decoding ESG: A Practical Guide for Legal Teams
July 24, 2023 12:09 - 38 minutes - 35.2 MBESG (environmental, social, governance) factors have become essential considerations for companies seeking to manage risk, attract investment, and operate sustainably. Yet myths and misconceptions persist around what ESG is and how best to approach it. This leads many legal teams to view ESG as an amorphous compliance exercise rather than a strategic priority. Recently on the Fringe Legal podcast, Abhijat Saraswat interviewed ESG expert Kai Gray, CEO of advisory firm Motiv, to dem...
Why "New and Shiny" Tech Often Flops at Law Firms with India Preston
July 14, 2023 06:58 - 32 minutes - 44.5 MBSummary: In this insightful episode of Fringe Legal, host Abhijat Saraswat has an in-depth discussion with India Preston, Director of Platform Solutions at legal tech startup Lupl. They delve into India's winding journey into legal project management, tactical approaches to driving adoption, and how to effectively challenge established processes. India shares learnings and advice drawn from her diverse experiences - from helping build out Linklaters' LPM function from the ground u...
Unlocking the Future of Legal Service Delivery: Insights from the LPPM Survey
May 03, 2023 11:00 - 41 minutes - 37.6 MBIn this episode, our guests Brad Blickstein, David Cambria, and returning guest Keith Maziarek join host Ab to discuss the findings from the 3rd Legal Pricing and Project Management (LPMM) Survey Report. They delve into the key challenges and trends shaping the legal industry, touching upon innovation, technology, client expectations, and the future of legal service delivery. Tune in to explore the data and analysis from the report, as these experts share their perspectives on the...
Smarter work allocation to increase lawyer retention
January 20, 2023 14:00 - 31 minutes - 43.3 MBProfessional services environments are stressful. Among the myriad of items to be juggled each day, you must manage workloads, managing the capacity of employees - what kind of work & how frequently work is allocated. How well this aspect is managed will impact performance, productivity, DEI, and retention. As part of our startup series, we speak with William Dougherty, Co-Founder of Capcity, a legal tech tool that looks to improve the allocation of work. In the episode, we'll ...
Legal tech ecosystem with Basha Rubin and Mirra Levitt of Priori Legal
September 22, 2022 13:03 - 22 minutes - 31.3 MBThe guest this week are co-founders of New York-based Priori Legal. Basha Rubin, the company's Chief Executive Officer, and Mirra Levitt, the Chief Product Officer, met as classmates at Yale Law School and found Priori. Earlier this year, they announced a funding round of $15 million. Priori works with in-house legal teams to connect legal departments with the right outside counsel for projects globally, saving them time and money. We discuss Legal Tech trends, their origin st...
Setting up legal teams for success with UpLevel Ops
August 25, 2022 10:30 - 39 minutes - 53.8 MBLegal operation teams have been increasing in popularity. In this episode, Liz Lugones and Sumi Trombley from Uplevel Opsshare why Legal Ops teams matter, why you should care, and how to leverage them to level up your legal team (in-house and at firms). Uplevel Ops are offering a complimentary 30-minute consultation, you can find more here. In the episode, we discuss: (03:12) Why should you care about legal operations (LegalOps)? (04:21) Law school vs. practice (08:12) Enab...
State of no-code in Legal with Jackson Liu
August 05, 2022 22:00 - 31 minutes - 43.4 MBTo supplement the release of the Fringe Legal no-code report, which provides 100s of hours of market research in 6-min, we speak with Jackson Liu, Chief Commercial Officer at Neota, about the state of no-code in legal. During the conversation, we discuss: How firms are using no-code tools Leveraging no-code tools as a competitive advantage Focusing on the customer journey and adoption for long-term success No-code challenges Future of no-code You can read the full No-code re...
Digital Transformation and designing the future of law with Kai Jacob
July 21, 2022 11:00 - 32 minutes - 44.8 MBOn this episode with speak with Kai Jacob - Partner at KPMG and Co-founder of Liquid Legal Institute - about digital transformation and designing the future of law. In the episode we cover (min.seconds): Introduction -> 0.20 Enthusiasm vs adoption of technology -> 1.56 Founding the think thank -> 3.24 Facilitating cross collaboration -> 5.06 Distributing projects equitably -> 6.04 Designing the future -> 10.14 Mental wellbeing -> 13.52 Skills for future lawyers -> 21.54 ...
Value based pricing for law firms with Keith Maziarek
June 21, 2022 13:37 - 37 minutes - 51 MBLawyers and firms have long struggled to find the right way to price their services. The hourly billing model focuses on the amount of time spent on a matter, project, or case. This can often lead to inefficiencies and frustration for the lawyer and the client. Value based pricing is an alternative that takes into account the value of the service being provided rather than simply the time spent. It means that lawyers and firms are paid based on the results they achieve for their cl...
Leading through a crisis with Alex Tsepko
April 27, 2022 11:00 - 15 minutes - 20.9 MBLeading teams during times of crisis presents a unique challenge. Many of which are multiplied when you are a startup and the team was only formed months ago. And then, overnight, everyone suddenly felt very fragile. It's a unique feeling and unique in a bad way because suddenly you have no idea what to do. And the feeling is that you're very lost. Yet, that is exactly the challenge that faced Alex Tsepko, CEO of Lawrina - a website that provides useful content and productivity too...
Creativity in law firms with Dale Miller
December 17, 2021 17:18 - 32 minutes - 45.2 MBWhat role does creativity play in a law firm and legal practice? "You can be creative in any industry and anything that you do. Creativity is a mindset. It's being open to new ideas, new trends that diversity of thought, as we mentioned, being willing to experiment and try things, seeing things through a different lens than people typically do. To me, that's what creativity really is. It doesn't mean you have to invent something new and be insanely innovative. It just means you...
The Future of Work with Matt Coatney
November 18, 2021 06:14 - 36 minutes - 50.3 MBMatt Coatney is a seasoned C-level product and technology executive, entrepreneur, advisor, author, and speaker with 25 years of experience helping businesses and technology work better together. He has led divisions and portfolios for large global corporations, co-founded three companies and advised several others, been an early-stage employee of two successful tech startups, advised dozens of business and technology professionals across all stages of company formation and growth, ...
Implementing emerging technologies with Leigh Snider
November 05, 2021 10:50 - 36 minutes - 50.4 MBTechnology is a frequent topic of conversation. It comes up almost every single episode. And while it's fun to talk about amazing new tools or features, ultimately, you have to tie the tech back to the business strategy. Easy to say, difficult to execute. It's harder still when tracking and working with emerging technology, where there may not yet be a baseline for success. We tackle those points and so much more in the episode today. Episode content What is IncuBaker ➡ 2.46 Wa...
Disrupting lawyer training with antiCPD with Quddus Pourshafie
October 28, 2021 03:06 - 18 minutes - 25.4 MBOn the podcast this week, I speak to Quddus Pourshafie, co-founder of antiCPD a new training business looking to flip the necessary evil of CPD on its head. They have a bold vision: Essentially, we want it to be the most AntiCPD CPD training you've ever seen. CPD is one of the least favorite activities of any lawyer, right? It's something that must be done, but no one particularly enjoys that period of time. Or if it's spread throughout the year most people tick it off. It's a check...
How Legal Tech Innovation Can Drive Success in Your Firm with Azman Jaafar
October 21, 2021 02:42 - 18 minutes - 25.2 MBIn this episode, Ab speaks with Azman Jaafar, Managing Partner and one of the founding members of RHTLaw Asia on how legal technology can drive success in a law firm. This episode is a special segment to the article "How Legal Tech Innovation Can Drive Success in Your Firm" which was published in the Singapore Law Gazette in October 2021.
Joyce Tong Oelrich on law firms as a subscription business
September 30, 2021 03:14 - 31 minutes - 43.9 MBI don't think we thought that it was going to be as tough of a sell because most of our clients that we have worked with and that we know very well and know how they sell, how they operate, they're all SaaS companies. So they all sell, software as a service, which is a subscription model. And we thought this would be something that, of course, they would understand the benefits of it because they're saying to their customers, here's the benefit of a subscription. It's really hard, f...
How to delight clients with Julia Salasky
September 15, 2021 03:50 - 28 minutes - 26 MBJulia Salasky is the CEO of Legl, a digital workflow tool for law firms. "Solving problems that are fundamental to the way lawyers work enables lawyers to focus on the work that highly skilled professionals that they are can do best. I don't have a view as to whether in five years or ten years or 25 years, you can train AI to do those jobs, but the work that lawyers do is so varied, so technical, and so human-centric that enabling them to do that work in a way that allows them to f...
Thinking long term and staying client-centric with Adolfo Jimenez
August 09, 2021 03:16 - 36 minutes - 33.6 MBAdolfo E. Jiménez is a Miami litigation attorney whose practice focuses on international disputes. Mr. Jiménez leads Holland & Knight's South Florida Litigation Practice Group, which consists of more than 80 attorneys, and also leads the firm's International Arbitration and Litigation Team. He is Board Certified in International Litigation and Arbitration by The Florida Bar. He handles general commercial litigation matters in federal and state courts. His international experience, l...
What GCs want from law firms with Anna Lozynski
July 16, 2021 04:50 - 31 minutes - 28.9 MBAnna Lozynski is an award winning executive general counsel & author, turned Change Agent, Advisor and Influencer. Starting out at a major Australian law firm, she has spent the majority of her legal career in-house working in the banking, automotive, and cosmetics industries. In 2021, Anna has donned her entrepreneurial shoes and launched her own Advisory service, on a mission to help law and business adapt to the digital age. She is consulting in the areas of social media co...
Transformation lessons from designing next gen cities with Ruben Vela and Matt Waldman
July 02, 2021 04:12 - 39 minutes - 36.6 MBI spoke with Matthew Waldman (Founder, San-Q, and Professor Keio Graduate School of Design) and Ruben Fernandez Vela (Senior Researcher, Samcara research lab) on transformation and innovation lessons from designing next-gen cities. This was a fascinating chat, and much of the ideas we discussed could very easily be extrapolated for firms, in-house teams, indeed any business. Here are three things I took away: Planning for obsolescence and avoiding in-action Balancing decision ma...
Peter Dombkins - transformation and looming legal revolution 🌩️
June 21, 2021 03:54 - 38 minutes - 35.4 MBSo Legal is coming late to the party on some of this, but at least it arrived very well dressed because we get to now pick and choose some of the best parts of project management, change management transformation, continuous improvement. Peter Dombkins is a national leader in legal transformation, legal operations, and the project management of legal professional services. He has received awards from the Financial Times and AIPM for change and legal practice management. Peter is Aus...
How a bunch of law students are solving the A2J problem
May 25, 2021 04:34 - 27 minutes - 25.6 MBMouthpiece Law is a student-run not-for-profit. As the world’s first legal education & technology platform, they connect and empower law students and legal professionals to form a legal aid task force and address legal needs through low-cost legal services. Avinash Pillay is the COO and Chief Legal Engineer at Mouthpiece Law.
How to develop and launch a LegalTech startup with Len Hickey
May 10, 2021 06:42 - 17 minutes - 16.2 MBLen Hickey is an IP lawyer and founder of Litigaze a case evaluation tool for modern legal teams that enables the evaluation of complex cases using intuitive visual planning. You can find out more about Litigaze at and connect with Len Hickey on LinkedIn.
Build, Buy, or Invest with Elani Buchan of MDR Lab
April 22, 2021 03:10 - 30 minutes - 28.2 MBElani is a leader in building high-growth startups through streamlined operations. After earning her master's from King's College, London, and serving more than two years at the Peace Corp. Elani spent almost a decade helping emerging tech companies develop, optimize and scale their operations marketing, and people processes. Elani is now the venture program manager at MDR Lab. Topics What is MDR Lab (1:55) Three different arms of MDR lab (2:33) Build vs buy - which gives you th...
Delivering quick time to value using AI tools with Jim Chiang of My Legal Einstein
April 12, 2021 04:21 - 20 minutes - 18.7 MBJim Chiang is the founder of My Legal Einstein, an AI-powered legal contract review tool. “So when you think about a time the value of that to actually have that much of a limiting factor in terms of getting to some point of value, you could have done a stand why Legal AI hasn't really gained a huge amount of adoption. So My Legal Einstein really is intended to have a user who never actually has heard of My Legal Einstein. They actually go onto a site, they register, they log in a...
Performance optimization for lawyers and general counsels
March 29, 2021 19:03 - 36 minutes - 33 MBParul Patel is the founder of Fuel and Move, a consultancy that helps Partners of law firms and General Counsels develop their teams and lawyers for performance optimization. “So performance optimization means that you're delivering at a high level of performance, but you're not, it's not coming at the expense of exhaustion burnout, a lot of these things that we see quite prevalent within the legal sector.” “So we're just focusing on the technical skills and the technical knowled...
Matthew Golab - why successfully introducing artificial intelligence in legal tech is a challenge
March 23, 2021 03:39 - 35 minutes - 32.8 MBWhy successfully introducing artificial intelligence in legal tech is a challenge Matthew Golab is the Director of Legal Informatics and R+D at Gilbert + Tobin. He leads a specialized in-house multidisciplinary legal informatics team that utilizes a variety of data analytics and eDiscovery, and other AI technology tools. Matthew has more than 20 years of experience in the legal technology industry, including two of Australia’s preeminent law firms. If you've been in the legal prof...
Rasmeet Charya - Using technology to maximize the value of legal services
March 10, 2021 00:20 - 27 minutes - 24.9 MBRasmeet Charya is the Chief Innovation Officer at Algo Legal. As Chief Innovation Officer, Rasmeet brings a strong passion for transforming how law firms and lawyers work with clients and think about innovation. From understanding problems, curating ideas, and facilitating innovation processes, Rasmeet leads a team that focuses on analyzing how technology can be used by the firm to enhance transparency, increase access, create efficiencies, and offer a new brand of service. Algo Le...
Giles Thompson on challenging the status quo
March 02, 2021 16:49 - 26 minutes - 24.5 MBGiles Thompson is the Head of Growth @ Avvoka 📈, former lawyer at Kirkland & Ellis and Herbert Smith Freehills ⚖️, Agriculturalist & Foodie 🚜, and tech investor & entrepreneur 🚀 Giles left practice a year ago to join the world of legal technology, and during this conversation we discuss: How the culture has shifted from his days in practice vs what he hears today The challenge of collaboration and different approaches firms are taking Pertinent skills/thoughts for future and n...
Jan Hards - making the move from lawyer to innovator
February 21, 2021 00:15 - 50 minutes - 46 MBJan Hards is the Director of Legal Innovation at Johnson Winter & Slattery. After years of practicing as a Corporate M&A Lawyer at Freshfields in the UK, and then later at Johnson Winter & Slattery, he made a deliberate move to become the firm’s Director of Legal Innovation. We discuss how Jan worked through that decision, what were some assumptions that he made, and some of the challenges. We also explore how Jan and the business look at the innovation function - through five o...
Floor Blindenbach - Innovation management for law firms
February 14, 2021 18:48 - 35 minutes - 32.3 MBInnovation management helps to optimize the innovation process, identify bottlenecks and increase the productivity of innovation, investment, and resources. Floor Blindenbach is the founder of Organizing4Innovation. Trigged by a recent whitepaper, I speak with Floor to discuss her views on innovation management for law firms. We spoke about: the importance of treating innovation as a process definition for innovation' the role of culture in driving innovative efforts Innovation...
Alice Stephenson on breaking down barriers
January 30, 2021 19:29 - 27 minutes - 25 MBAlice Stephenson is a founder and tech lawyer driving inclusion and innovation in law and promoting individuality within the legal profession. Alice founded Stephenson Law in 2017 to create a law firm that does things differently. Tackling each stereotype head-on, she is on a mission to build a forward-thinking, innovative law firm that puts people at the heart of everything it does. Alice's goal is to inspire young women to challenge the perceived barriers to success and see th...
Innovation and Transformation Perspectives From Around the World
January 17, 2021 04:28 - 19 minutes - 27.4 MBInnovation and Transformation Perspectives From Around the World Ab: [00:00:00] Innovation and transformation perspectives from around the world There is tremendous variability in how the legal industry approaches innovation and technology initiatives, and the range is greater still when you expand the scope to different jurisdictions and regions worldwide. Through a series of interviews with innovation leaders and a review of published materials. I explored some of the factors...
Contracting mistakes with Alex Hamilton
December 17, 2020 03:40 - 29 minutes - 26.9 MBContracts are crucial to the legal process, however more frequently the process of contracting can be painful. In this episode we discuss how to remove unnecessary barriers from contracts while offering the same protections, benchmarking the performance of your contracts, and Alex’s reflections on 10 years since founding Radiant Law. Key quotes Quotes have been extracted from the live conversation and have been edited for grammar and minor corrections. “looking now from ...
Alex Low on leveraging LinkedIn to build your brand
December 07, 2020 02:17 - 29 minutes - 27.5 MBAlex Low is an expert in helping businesses implement and adopt marketing and sales strategies. He regularly speaks to experts through his podcast The Death of a Salesman and applies the principles at BeyondSales and DLA ignite. Oh and he's worked in the BD function at PwC, as Client Relationship Manager at BLP (now BCLP), lead Client Dev at JLL, and more. In this episode we discuss: Why good marketing and a strong personal brand has never been more important How to implement a...
Janet Stanton - Benefits of a Strategic Client Management Program
December 03, 2020 01:54 - 31 minutes - 29.1 MBIn this episode of Fringe Legal, host Abhijat Saraswat speaks with Janet Stanton. I reached out to Janet after having read her article on the importance of strategic client management. We discuss the topic in detail including what it means, the benefits for individuals and the firm, implementation advice, and pitfalls to avoid. Janet is an accomplished business person who brings her experience from diverse industries and professional service organizations to bear on issues current...
Making innovation everyone's business with Allister Spencer
November 23, 2020 04:26 - 28 minutes - 39.1 MBMaking innovation everyone's business with Allister Spencer Innovation has as many definitions as the number of people you ask to define it. Regardless of what you think of as "innovative," the execution needs to permeate the business. Abhijat Saraswat speaks with Allister Spencer on how to make innovation everyone's business. In this episode, we’ll go over: Review the state of the union earlier this year firms put their hand brakes on; some thrived, some fell apart. What dro...
Networked - how a group of women came together to write a book during Covid-19
November 15, 2020 03:55 - 32 minutes - 58.7 MBOn this episode of Fringe Legal Edge – host Abhijat Saraswat speaks with six outstanding women. There are each uniquely impressive, but all have one thing in common. They met (as well as 14 others) through a Linkedin networking group at the beginning of the pandemic. This one act led to the writing of an anthology of their struggles, experiments, and triumphs. Ab speaks with Winter Wheeler, Shari E. Belitz, Esq., Lisa Lang, Laura M. Gregory, Esq., Deb Feder, and Christon Halkiotis...
Chatter #2 feat. Vincent Michetti
November 08, 2020 03:51 - 30 minutes - 55.5 MBChatter is a special episode where Abhijat sits down with Vincent Michetti to discuss 3-5 varied topics. In this episode they discuss: Deloitte buys Kemp Little: Deloitte UK has bought the law firm Kemp Litte, which adds 86 lawyers (inc. 29 partners) to the legal roster for the company. We've been through this before, throughout the 1990s the Big Five accounting firms (as they were at the time)—Arthur Andersen, KPMG, Ernst & Young (EY), PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC), and Deloitte—m...
Solving the Last Mile Problem for the Utilisation of Legal Technology
October 04, 2020 22:40 - 10 minutes - 9.44 MBAb: Hello everyone. And welcome to this experimental episode. And this episode will be using machine learning too. read out one of the articles I've written in the past. Probably will be getting a few of these in the coming months. So please do let me know what your thoughts are and excuse any mispronunciations from the ai you can find the full text of the article on fringe legal.com and as always love to hear your feedback. Enjoy. AI narrator 1: This is the audio version of an art...
Eric Laughlin on the rigidity and plasticity we can expect from technology
October 03, 2020 00:09 - 32 minutes - 30.2 MBEric Laughlin is the CEO of Agiloft - the no-code contract and commerce lifecycle management software company. I think, as everything changed, people had to have had sort of two insights: one insight is that the world changes more rapidly than I even thought that it could. And then the second thing is, I, as an individual, as a human, was able to adapt more quickly than I thought that I might've been able to. And that sort of plasticity that we discovered in the world and in o...
Ray Bierderman on innovation, cloud and working with in-house/outside counsel
September 15, 2020 03:26 - 18 minutes - 34 MBRay Biederman is an experienced litigator with nearly two decades of experience removing obscurity from the eDiscovery process for other attorneys and corporate resources. Ray is the President and co-founder of DiscoveryMaster.co, CEO of Proteus Discovery Group, and Partner at Mattingly Burke Cohen & Biederman LLP. most people went to law school to practice law and not to practice technology, or practice updating Excel spreadsheets all the time. It's like the rule of 80% rule, rig...
Adrian Camara of Athennian on fundraising during the pandemic, growth and more
September 11, 2020 21:18 - 16 minutes - 30.6 MBAdrian Camara is the CEO of Athennian. Athennian is a legal entity management software for in-house teams and law firms.
Global innovation viewpoint - initiatives & projects sprouted during the pandemic
August 27, 2020 04:18 - 1 hour - 139 MBThis is a replay from the Fringe Legal Virtual Summit held earlier this year. This panel brings together four leading knowledge managers and innovators to discuss some of the projects they have started or have seen sprouted in crisis situations. The panel will bring together a world view as we'll be joined by Thao and Priti is the US (New York and Chicago respectively), Barbara in Brazil, and Terri in Australia. On the panel were: Priti Saraswat, Bárbara Gondim da Rocha, Terri M...