Props to all of those out there who play a nurturing role in a child's life. We shifted topics real time to embrace what was alive for us in the moment. (Hello, practice what we preach.) We talk about that role and our relationship with mothers and the hugely complex dynamic that can be. We also process real time how to shift from "mother" being an exclusively female role and how we can shift the language to be inclusive of non-binary, queer, trans, gay or any one who doesn't fit in the patriarchy model of being a "mother".