First Baptist Blowing Rock
535 episodes - English - Latest episode: 7 days ago - ★★★★★ - 10 ratingsWeekly sermons from Pastor Rusty Guenther of First Baptist Blowing Rock in Blowing Rock, North Carolina
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"The Power and Privilege of a Name" Back to the Basics Series #9
April 22, 2024 17:00 - 38 minutes - 26.3 MBWhat does the Apostle John mean when he uses the term "child of God" to describe those who are Christ followers? You hear people say we are "all God's children" but is that scriptural? In our passage for this message John unpacks the power, privilege and responsivities that come with that name and how it impacts our personal identity. He is drawn to this discussion through his focus on the unexplainable love that God has for his children. From 1st John 2:28-3:3. Thank you for listening to o...
"The Antichrist are Already Here!" Back to the Basics Series from 1st John #8
April 15, 2024 16:00 - 44 minutes - 30.6 MBThis message examines the warning about false teachers that have infiltrated the early church and are causing division and distractions. These "anti-Christ", as John calls them, are dangerous and need to be exposed and confronted. John gives us 3 ways to expose these false teachers and 3 ways we can protect ourselves from their deception. From 1st John 2: 18-27. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for o...
"Distractions that Destroy" Back to the Basics Series from 1st John #7
April 08, 2024 16:00 - 40 minutes - 27.5 MBIn this message we examine certain "worldly" distractions that can hinder, harm and diminish our personal relationship with God and how to overcome them. From 1st John 2:12-17. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
"How Hope Shines Through" Easter 2024
April 02, 2024 16:00 - 26 minutes - 18 MBA look at how the resurrection of Jesus Christ influences every area of a Christian's life, not just eternity. We discuss how hopeless the world would be without the empty tomb and a risen savior! From 1st Corinthians 15. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone...
"Why Do We Call it 'Good'?" Holy Week Message 2024
March 25, 2024 15:00 - 31 minutes - 21.9 MBA message on "Good Friday" and the meaning and message of the Cross. This message examines the deceleration of Jesus on the cross "My God, My God, why has thou Forsaken me?" and how it relates to Psalms 22. From Matthew 27:45-46, Psalms 22. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at office@firstbaptistblowingr...
"The Most Basic of Basics" Back to the Basics Series from 1st John #6
March 18, 2024 14:00 - 40 minutes - 27.5 MBHow can you tell if someone is a Christian or not? That has been a struggle from the beginning as false teachers and teaching began to invade the church. That is why the Apostle John in 1st John uses phrases like "you may claim" "if you say" as if to indicate that there were a lot of people in those early churches claiming to be followers of Christ but were not. Since then, generations of Christians have tried to find identifying markers for a disciple of Jesus - most centered around eterna...
"Crossing the Jordan" Where God is leading First Baptist Church
March 11, 2024 15:00 - 36 minutes - 25.4 MBA message on stepping out on faith as individuals and as a church as we move forward striving to reach our region with the message of Jesus Christ. Also, a message of encouragement for anyone who needs to trust in God when making big decisions. From Numbers 13-14. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at off...
"Following the Leader" Back to the Basics Series from 1st John #5
February 26, 2024 16:00 - 41 minutes - 28.7 MBWe all follow someone - it shows in how we dress, the music we listen to, the television shows we watch, even in some of our attitudes. We even have people today whose sole job it is to gain followers on social media as "influencers". The real questions is where are those people we follow leading us, and how does that affect our relationship with God. In the message today we examine how the Apostle John outlines the difference between those who claim to know about Jesus and those who actuall...
"Much More Than Just Getting Us" Back to the Basics Series from 1st John #4
February 19, 2024 17:00 - 38 minutes - 26.5 MBMillions of people watching the Super Bowl likely saw an ad put out by an organization with the goal of introducing or reintroducing people to Jesus - separating him from the politics of today - or at least that was their stated intentions. Sadly, all the ad did was double down on the politics by presenting a Jesus who seems to fit into the politically correct "oppressor/oppressed" narrative of the social justice movement that has permeated our colleges and culture. Instead of revealing what...
"Set Free to Be Authentic" Back to the Basics Series from 1st John #3
February 12, 2024 16:00 - 39 minutes - 26.8 MBAll of us wear mask from time to time. Mask that disguise our true thoughts, mask that project who we wish we could be, mask that make us seem more "spiritual" than we really are. In ancient Greece those actors who wore mask for the theater were known as "Hypokrites" or what we would today call "hypocrites". Jesus confronts the Pharisees in Matthew 23 by seven times calling them "hypocrites" for the way their words and actions do not match up with what they claim to believe. Do we still have...
"The Power of Light" Back to the Basics Series from 1st John #2
February 05, 2024 15:00 - 37 minutes - 25.6 MBIn 1st John 1:5-7, the Apostle John reflects on a concept that he introduced in his gospel using the metaphor of "Light" to explain how Jesus Christ provides eternal and abundant life to those who follow him. In using the term "Walking in the Light", John explains the difference between having a relationship with God and being in "fellowship" or communion with God. The difference in the two involves a person's willingness to be obedient to God's word and "Walk in the Light". This message bre...
"Just Do It!" Introduction to Back to the Basics Study from 1st John #1
January 29, 2024 15:00 - 37 minutes - 25.9 MBIn this introduction to our new study from 1st John, we look at the context and background of the letter as well as the importance of personal application or obedience to scripture. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
"Who Will Stand in the Gap" New Years 2024
January 18, 2024 16:00 - 35 minutes - 24.3 MBIn this message we examine the importance of "being available" when God calls your name to serve. Hebrews 10:23-25 Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
"Not Hardly!" New Years 2024
January 08, 2024 17:00 - 27 minutes - 19.1 MBThe national media and even those in religious circles love to talk about the demise of the American church. They emphasize every pastoral scandal, talk about the church closings and love to point out that it seems millennials are leaving the church in droves - but what is really going on? Is the American church on its last legs? Has the church lost its influence and voice? We kick off the New Year with a message of Hope for the church and its members as we look at why the Church will contin...
"Christmas Lessons for the New Year"
January 02, 2024 17:00 - 36 minutes - 24.9 MBThis is the message from New Years Eve 2023 as we look at some lessons from the birth narratives in Matthew 2 that will have an impact on our lives in 2024. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
Pastoral Devotion for looking at the New Year
January 02, 2024 17:00 - 5 minutes - 3.5 MBThis is the passage of scripture that Pastor Rusty read and discussed during the New Year Eve 2023 service as we look forward to 2024. Many choose a verse or "word" going into the new year that can be a guide for their spiritual journey. Here, Pastor Rusty shares what the Holy Spirit laid on his heart for the church as we face what could be a divisive and contentious year in 2024. Psalms 51:3-13 Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and sh...
"Will There be Room at Your House?" Christmas Message #3
January 02, 2024 17:00 - 37 minutes - 25.9 MBThis is the message from Christmas Eve 2023 that examines the Christmas story from Luke 2 and looks at the historical significance of why we celebrate Jesus' birth on December 25th and how that event should impact each one of us spiritually. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at office@firstbaptistblowingr...
"How Do You Prepare for a Baby?" Christmas 2023 #2
December 18, 2023 16:00 - 34 minutes - 23.6 MBThis message is a challenge to use the message of John the Baptist in Luke 3 as a way to prepare our hearts for the true meaning, power and purpose of the birth of Jesus Christ this Christmas. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
Hope Has Come- Christmas 2023 #1
December 04, 2023 17:00 - 30 minutes - 21 MBWe kick off the Advent season by seeking to answer the question - When does Christmas actually begin? What does the Bible say about the origin of God's plan that played out in the manger of Bethlehem. We look at some Old Testament prophecy to unpack why the first Sunday of Advent focuses on Hope. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Y...
"The Importance of Faithful Friends" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #20
November 27, 2023 20:00 - 42 minutes - 29.4 MBWe wrap up our study of the book of Colossians by examining the Apostle Paul's final words as he lists all of those who have been encouraging and supporting him and the church while in prison. Many times, we rush past these lists of names at the close of Paul's letters, but those names are there for a reason and in this message, we examine each person and how they supported Paul and why they are listed. This gives us a great opportunity to think about all the people who have supported us and...
"Will You Take the Stand" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #19
November 20, 2023 17:00 - 38 minutes - 26.2 MBWe continue looking at Colossians 4:2-6 and the practical advice the Apostle Paul gives us for sharing our faith with others. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
Comparative Religions "Practical Evangelistic Tools" What we Believe and Why Fall 2023 #8
November 20, 2023 17:00 - 56 minutes - 38.7 MBWe go over a very practical evangelistic tool from Romans 6:23. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
Comparative Religions "The New Age Movements" What we Believe and Why Fall 2023 #6
November 20, 2023 16:00 - 1 hour - 48.3 MBWe examine the modern New Age movement and philosophies and their influence on the church. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
Comparative Religions "Eastern Orthodox" What we Believe and Why Fall 2023 #7
November 20, 2023 16:00 - 1 hour - 44.1 MBWe examine and discuss the protestant reformation and split from the Roman Catholic Church and the split between that church and the Eastern Orthodox faith and what they believe Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
"If not Now, When" The Search for Significance Series from Colossians #18
November 13, 2023 18:00 - 28 minutes - 19.8 MBAs we continue to look at Colossians 4:2-6, we examine the second half of Paul's plea when it comes to what Christian's should be devoted to. Last week we looked at the importance of developing a personal prayer life (talking to God about people vs 2-3) and this week we examine - talking to people about God - Evangelism. We focus in our developing a heart that is passionate about sharing our faith and "making the most of every opportunity." Thank you for listening to our podcast and we wou...
"Hopelessly Devoted to..." Search for Significance Series from Colossians #17
November 06, 2023 18:00 - 39 minutes - 27.3 MBAll of us have things that we are devoted to, or passionate about but how do those things rate compared to what God says Christians should be devoted to as new creations? Paul continues to provide examples of how living a new life in Christ should impact our everyday lives by examining how we spend our time, talent and treasure in the things we are passionate about as Christians. In our passage from Colossians 4:2-6, he insists that Christians should "be devoted to prayer". What does that lo...
"Take This Job and Love It" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #16
October 30, 2023 17:00 - 36 minutes - 25.2 MBAll of us have had jobs we didn't like, or aspects of our jobs that we don't like or feel like the task are beneath us. It has led some of us to burnout or discouragement and sometimes even a search for another job. What if there was a way, we could change the way we view our jobs or find a new level of motivation for waking up and going in on Mondays? As the Apostle Paul continues to outline the changes that come from living a life that has been "crucified with Christ" look like in all of o...
"Developing a Spiritually Healthy Home" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #15
October 23, 2023 17:00 - 36 minutes - 25.1 MBAs the Apostle Paul continues to explain how those who have been transformed through the power of salvation in Jesus Christ are to live their lives; this week he looks at how it effects the home and our relationships in the home. From our relationship with our spouse and our children and even how Christian children are to respond to their parents - he lays out a couple of Biblical principles that will not only transform your personal relationships, but it can also change the dynamics of your...
"Experiencing the Power of a Spiritually Healthy Church" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #14
October 17, 2023 15:00 - 41 minutes - 28.7 MBWe continue looking at the prescriptions that the Apostle Paul lays out for living a life both "crucified with Christ" and "alive in his resurrection power". As he continues to encourage the Colossians, he identifies some of the results that you can expect to see in the life of a spiritually healthy believer and a spiritually healthy church and how those results can impact our personal lives and the life of our faith communities. From Colossians 3: 15-17. Thank you for listening to our podc...
"Comparative Religions - The Israel Palestinian Conflict" What we Believe and Why Fall 2023 #3
October 17, 2023 15:00 - 1 hour - 44.4 MBWe examine the current conflict going on between Israel and Hamas or those who call themselves Palestinians from both a historical and Biblical standpoint. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
"Comparative Religions Islam" What we believe and Why Fall 2023 #2
October 16, 2023 16:00 - 50 minutes - 34.5 MBWe examine the history and practices of the religion of Islam. From our Sunday night series on Comparative Religions. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
"Comparative Religions Judaism" What we believe and Why" Fall 2023 #1
October 16, 2023 16:00 - 58 minutes - 39.9 MBWe look at the history and beliefs of Judaism and how it relates to Christianity. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
"Your Place in a Healthy Faith Community" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #13
October 09, 2023 14:00 - 37 minutes - 25.7 MBA recent Barna survey found that 80% of the churches in North America are either plateaued or in decline and that over 1000 churches are closing their doors every month. Something is not right with the Church. As many churches face continual struggles with spiritual health and dysfunction, they strive to place blame and look for quick fixes. Maybe they need a new Pastor, or to add more flashy programs, or hire staff to attract younger people with many settling for all of the above in their d...
"Garbage Day" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #12
October 02, 2023 14:00 - 37 minutes - 26.1 MBIn Colossians 3, the Apostle Paul declares that it is garbage day in the life of a Christian and all of us probably have some trash that needs taken out. We have already learned that once we become a Christian, we are a new creation, and our old self has been "crucified with Christ" and we are dead to sin - but we still have to live in these fleshly bodies and that opens the door for sin and temptation. Paul gives us a couple of lists of sins that all of us can struggle with and the danger t...
"To Experience the Power of His Resurrection" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #11
September 25, 2023 15:00 - 37 minutes - 25.5 MBAs the Apostle Paul moves from the deep theological truths (justification) and warnings of Chapter two of the Book of Colossians into the more practical application (Sanctification) of Chapter 3, he offers some insight into laying down the groundwork that must happen in a Christians life beforehand. In this message we look at the importance of developing a changed heart and mind that will allow us to align our behavior with who we now are as believers who have been "crucified with Christ" an...
"The Enemy Within" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #10
September 18, 2023 14:00 - 40 minutes - 27.5 MBHaving identified two external threats to Christians and the church experiencing their fullness and freedoms in Christ back in Colossians 2:8, the Apostle Paul now sets his sights on exposing some internal threats. In this message we unpack how legalism, Christian mysticism, and religious virtue signaling are not only distortions of grace and diminish our understanding of what happened to us because of Christ death on the Cross - they also rob Christians of their joy, spiritual power and pea...
"Raised to Walk in Newness of Life" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #9
September 05, 2023 15:00 - 38 minutes - 26.3 MBIn this message, the Apostle Paul continues his case for the sufficiency of Jesus Christ by explaining all that he accomplished on our behalf at the Cross. In his theologically powerful explanation, Paul outlines several life and eternity altering events that happened through Jesus Christ death on the cross and in doing so, gives us some insight into what it really means to be "spiritually alive". We examine this passage to add some application to how these powerful truths relate to our ever...
"Jesus is Enough!" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #8
August 21, 2023 15:00 - 37 minutes - 25.9 MBIn our passage for today the Apostle Paul warns the church about the dangers of falling into the trap of "deceptive philosophies that are based on human tradition" and "basic principles of the world". We examine both of those danger in depth and how they "kidnap" the heart and minds of Christians and how that affects their Christian journey and ability to be obedient to God's call on their lives. We also look at the scriptural alternative to those two traps as found in the sufficiency and fu...
"A Blueprint for a Growing Church" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #7
August 14, 2023 14:00 - 36 minutes - 25.3 MBThe Apostle Paul lays out some factors that contribute to a church finding spiritual health and experiencing growth. From Colossians 2:1-7. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us at [email protected] or by phone @ 828-295-7715
"The Mystery Revealed" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #6
July 24, 2023 15:00 - 44 minutes - 30.8 MBIn Colossians 1:26-27 the Apostle Paul mentions something that was a mystery in the Old Testament that has been revealed to those who are now Christians. In using this type of language, he rebukes the gnostic false teachers who were pushing the idea that a relationship with Jesus was not enough for salvation but rather you also needed to have a "special knowledge", or "secret knowledge" revealed to you. Sadly, the spirit of this Gnosticism is still alive in the church today as some in the ch...
"Reconciled, Redeemed and Restored" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #5
July 17, 2023 14:00 - 42 minutes - 29.2 MBAfter confronting the false teachers in Colossae regarding the nature of who Jesus is in Chapter 1:15-17, the Apostle Paul turns his sights on dealing with what happened on the Cross. Using the words of an ancient hymn, Paul lays out the case for the completed works of Jesus Christ on the Cross and how that affects those who place their trust in his sacrifice. From Colossians 1:18-23. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with ...
"The Wonder and Work of Jesus Christ" The Search for Significance Series from Colossians #4
July 10, 2023 17:00 - 32 minutes - 22.4 MBEveryone seems to have an opinion when asked the question, "Who is Jesus?". It was this very question that Jesus asked his disciples in Matthew 16:13, "Who do people say that I am" and then "Who do you say that I am?". This question puzzled the early church and still brings confusion and division in many churches today. The Apostle Paul brings some clarity to the confusion in the Colossian church in our passage for today and his answer should help clear up any confusion for us as well. It is...
"A Pastors Prayer for the Church" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #3
July 05, 2023 14:00 - 43 minutes - 30 MBEarly in the Apostle Paul's letter to the church at Colossae he mentions that he prays for the church and its members and then describes how he prays for them and gives us a perfect example of how each one of us can pray for our family members, friends and other Christians. This is not only a great tool and template for how to pray for one another, but it also gives us a glimpse of what God expects from his followers as we live out and apply His word to our lives. From Colossians 1:9-14. T...
"A Thankful Reminder to Remember" Search for Significance Series from Colossians #2
June 26, 2023 16:00 - 39 minutes - 27 MBOne of the factors that can lead to a Christian growing complacent and comfortable in their relationship with God is our failure to remember just what it was that God did in us, for us, and through us when we accepted His offer of redemption through Jesus Christ. The Dangers of a complacent and comfortable church are self-evident all around us in what we see happening in the American church today. The same was true in the early church of Colossae. As the Apostle Paul introduces his letter t...
"A Place of Grace" The Search for Significance Series from Colossians #1
June 19, 2023 21:00 - 44 minutes - 30.8 MBAn introduction to our new sermon series on the book of Colossians. We examine the author, date, context and history of the church and the reason why the letter was written. We also break down the introduction and the meaning and purpose behind it. From Colossians 1:1-2. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com or our Youtube page. Contact us a...
"The Church and the Alphabet Agenda" What we Believe and Why Series Fall 2023 #6
June 18, 2023 13:00 - 58 minutes - 40.3 MBIn this discussion we address how the church is supposed to respond to the current LGBTQ agenda and how it affects our schools and children. What does the Bible say is our responsibility and how can we live that out on a day-to-day basis in a culture that is growing more hostile towards people of faith. Thank you for listening to our podcast and we would love for you to subscribe to our page and share with others. Join us for our weekly worship online at www.firstbaptistblowingrock.com o...
"What Makes a Successful Parent? Family Matters Series #7
June 12, 2023 17:00 - 38 minutes - 26.4 MBHow do we define successful parenting? What metrics do we use to help us gauge whether or not we have been successful in raising our children? It should not come as a surprise that as Christian parents those metrics might be a little different than what it has become in most American homes. Using Ephesians 6:1-4, this message looks at the dangers of reactive parenting and not developing a spirit-led plan that causes many parents to settle back on some dangerous defaults that can led to long...
"The Heart of a Spirit-Filled Husband" Family Matters #6
June 05, 2023 15:00 - 31 minutes - 21.4 MBWhat does the Apostle Paul mean when he called the husband the head of the household in Ephesians 5:23? How do we apply that to the modern family and how does it fit into the idea of "mutual submission" in Ephesians 5:21? Sadly, this passage has been misunderstood to justify misogyny and abuse in the church and in the home while missing the beauty of a redeemed home where a husband practices biblical leadership while he loves his wife in the same manner that Christ leads and loves the church...
"The Passion of a Spirit-Filled Wife" Family Matters Series #5
May 30, 2023 15:00 - 35 minutes - 24.6 MBIn this message we dive into Ephesians 5:21-24 and try to make some practical and spiritual sense out of the call for "wives to submit to their husbands". While many today might think of this recommendation as being "out of tough" with our modern senses, what Paul is suggesting here is actually foundational to a healthy spiritual marriage and offers an opportunity for both the husband and wife to bring their best to a relationship. This entire passage is a natural reflection of Christ redemp...
"The Rise of Liberal and Progressive Christianity" What we Believe and Why Spring 2023
May 24, 2023 04:00 - 1 hour - 50 MBIn this session we examine theological troubling issues that were founded in the days of the early church and continue into the modern era. With an overview of the Judaizer, Gnostics, Arianism and Modalism of the first three centuries to the German Biblical Higher Criticism, Modernism, and the rise of Liberal Christianity of the 19th and 20th centuries we can find commonality from all for the rise of today's Postmodern Theology and Relativism that has infiltrated the church. The division and...