We have a dire drug problem in America. About 100 thousand people will die this year from a drug overdose, despite 50 years of the War on Drugs. So what’s gone wrong and how do we solve it? Our two guests have answers, but very different ones.

Neil Woods spent 14 years undercover in the UK, infiltrating and bringing down drug gangs until it changed his outlook. Now he’s written two books on why he thinks legalization is the only way forward.

Derek Maltz, former head of Special Operations for the Drug Enforcement Administration, says drugs like Fentanyl have totally changed the landscape. Therefore, we need to update our thinking about the problem and be a lot smarter in how we fight drugs at the source.

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