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00086 Master in the Himalayas
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 52 minutes - 24.1 MB(Chinese) The Himalayas are well-known as an area for spiritual practice. The weather is very cold there. There are many Gurus in India, so you can see their footprints everywhere. But it's very difficult to find them. Some spiritual practitioners dig an ice cave and live inside without wearing any clothes. Some don't eat anything. The air there is very clean. So by practicing their own methods together with an additional technique, they can go without eating nor do th...
00176 The Secret of the Wisdom Eye
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 29.7 MB(Chinese) From the top of our head to the four extremities, there is one area that can be called dark which blocks our wisdom from passing through; even if it does pass through, it may change negatively. Therefore, it is probably that our mind is thinking of very good things, our wisdom is also thinking about very good things but when it is put into action, it turns out badly. That dark place is like a closed door which should be opened so that wisdom can flow down. ...
00171 There's Only One Way to Liberate Oneself from the Three Worlds
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 36.1 MB(Chinese) No matter what religion or sect they are in, people who are truly searching for the Tao and practicing spiritually must get liberated from life and death and go beyond the Three Worlds. We have to know how to get liberation from the Three Worlds-this is the most important issue right now. We don't have to concern ourselves with trivial matters such as which religion is good or bad; all we need to know is the "Way", the "path". The "Tao" is forever t...
00329 The real wisdom-eye opening
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 36.2 MB(Chinese) It is an Indian tradition that one becomes Buddha after a special ceremony in which a particular paint is pressed upon the place of the wisdom eye. After that, he is recognized as Master, Teacher, Enlightened Master and Buddha. This is the Indian way of enlightenment and wisdom eye-opening. After the wisdom eye-opening, one becomes Buddha. Initiation is also a time of enlightenment and opening of the wisdom eye so you can see the light. This is the ...
01583-V0493 Appreciate the Value of Initiation
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 25.8 MB(English) Excerpts from Supreme Master Ching Hai’s lecture: Only when we are sincere, will God bring us to the path that is suitable for us. After we have found that path we must be careful not to seek blessings from any other source, since they will lower our spiritual level. The Quan Yin meditation is the highest and best and through Master's guidance we can advance ourselves, by not struggling and by being patient. When we die, we will know at that time, w...
00174 We Must Rely on the Quan Yin Method to Be Liberated from Life and Death
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 41.7 MB(Chinese) By focusing on the Wisdom Eye, our mind will become very happy and gain much understanding, and it can help us go beyond the Three Realms quickly. Once one has passed the Three Realms, the ordinary mind no longer exists. All that exists is our soul, original Self or our own Master. The Master is different from the mind. They are called Hun and Po respectively: Hun means the Master, and Po means the mind. We cannot practice without the mind's help, therefore w...
00175 The Meaning of Being a Buddhist
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 31.6 MB(Chinese) What does it mean by being a Buddhist? A Buddhist is someone who is very kind and virtuous, practices spiritually, and at the very least keeps the five precepts: no killing, no stealing, no alcohol, no telling lies and no adultery. If he believes in Jesus Christ and also keeps the five precepts, he can be regarded as a Buddhist as well. One cannot become a Buddha by being vegetarian or vegan only; however, if he is not vegan, it’s also impossible fo...
00172 All Spiritual Practice Methods Are The Quan Yin Methods
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 38.5 MB(Chinese) Enlightened Masters teach only the same thing - to save and liberate beings; they transmit the same method, the one and only method for liberation, that is the Quan Yin Method. Whatever it is called, be it Pure Land Method, Universal Gate Method, Prajnaparamita Method, or the Diamond Method, the name does not matter, it is all the same. As long as it leads to liberation, it is the Quan Yin Method. All methods are the same as long as there is an enli...
00088 Everything Is Created by the Mind
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 37 minutes - 17.5 MB(Chinese) We are great beings, not weak ones. Humans have the greatest status and can do anything. We can accomplish as much as we believe we can. Buddha said all beings are the same as Buddha. That is, beings have the same amount of merits, but they are unable to use them because they do not know they are Buddhas. We should believe that we have the power to change our fixed karma and our environment. The more we practice spiritually, the better our concentra...
00111 The Power of Blessing
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 30.9 MB(Chinese) The blessing power of an enlightened Master should be kept in our bag, to be used for ourselves alone, and not to be leaked or hidden away. It should be digested. If you speak about it in public, it means that you cannot digest this power. Talking about your inner experiences will create a lot of maya hindrances for you. If you have any good experiences, you can write them down. Or you can talk to Master if you cannot digest them. You should still p...
01509-V0467 The Suffering of This World Comes From Our Ignorance
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 35.6 MB(English) Master said that the suffering of this world comes from our ignorance. Why? Why must we remember the purpose of our coming to this world? If the only difference between Heaven and this Earth is the vibration and the frequency; then what’s the relationship between the vibration of the Earth and disaster, earthquake and all kinds of eventful weather? How can we elevate the vibration of the Earth? In Master’s lecture, She specially emphasized, “Every day we must...
00145 Self Transforming
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 52 minutes - 18.3 MB(Chinese) No matter if we have a master or not, we must rely on ourselves, because the highest master is ourselves rather than the Master outside or the Master inside. However, before reaching a certain high level, we still need the guidance from a wise person whom we call Master or Teacher. Of course, before we achieve anything in spiritual practice, we still need to rely on someone who has more experiences than we do, just like we need a guide to lead the w...
00283B To Practice The Quan Yin Method Is the Safest Way
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 43.4 MB(Chinese) Every human, animal, and being is illuminated by the Buddha light and enveloped by the power of great compassion. Therefore, we are all brothers and sisters. Each country is like one individual room, one here and one there. If we own the big mansion in which we live, then can't we freely run through all the rooms in our mansion? We wouldn't feel that Shakyamuni Buddha is Indian; we are all "earthlings". There wouldn't be so many wars if every country understo...
00173 Know Our Own Buddha Nature
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 38.5 MB(Chinese) What does Great Master mean? It means Buddha. The word Buddha means a highly enlightened person with light and great wisdom in Sanskrit. So with respect, we call him Buddha, a great master, a true teacher, a great teacher, a great and benevolent advisor, or great bodhisattva-mahasattva, etc. They have more or less the same meaning. The highest respect we can give Master is by "practicing" diligently, knowing who we are and becoming the same as Maste...
00112 The Job of Bodhisattva Mahasattva
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 41.3 MB(Chinese) Our souls are the true Prajñāpāramitā. Originally the soul is the same as Prajñāpāramitā; there's no difference. Hes has the same great wisdom. Hes himself is the great wisdom, the great Tao, the original Self, and Buddha nature. However, when hes comes to this samsara world, hes is enveloped by many things and forgets hirs original Self. A Mahasattva can help us to gradually take off the thick and heavy clothes on us layer by layer, then we can als...
00298 The Soul Is Originally Peaceful
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 22 minutes - 9.29 MB(Chinese) Our souls are originally peaceful. When the soul is peaceful, we can see the Light and hear the Sound, which means that our soul is free and has left this body; our mind and body are not controlling our soul and we are liberated from the physical world. This is what matters. It doesn't become pacified when the mind wants it to be. Whatever the mind thinks is not right. It perceives black as white and white as black. The Quan Yin Method is the best a...
00300 The Power of Vibration Can Remove Karma
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 30.1 MB(Chinese) Can our karma be removed by prostrating to repent, worshiping mountains and waters, contemplating the Zenist cases, and practicing breathing? Supreme Master Ching Hai points out that Karma is invisible. It is the influence gathered and recorded in previous and current states of life existence, a kind of rough and invisible vibration. How can the worldly language help us cleanse this subtle and invisible karma? To remove karma, we have to use our inner vibrati...
01617-V0516 The Key to Success
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 32.4 MB(Chinese) On this cheerful Sunday, Supreme Master Ching Hai encourages us to fulfill our daily duties and try our best to help others with her own experiences and inspiring Buddhist stories. Master says the secret for a successful endeavor is to do things without ego or any purpose, asking no rewards and surrendering to God’s will. Master also reminds parents to love their children more attentively, and develop their own inner cheerful, colorful spirit to bri...
00301 Sound Stream Is the Material of the Universe
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 23.6 MB(Chinese) If we do not use the creating power of the universe to realize our wishes, it will not be of much use, no matter what we pray for. The sound stream is the material and the creating power of the universe. We can use it to create both heaven and hell; therefore, we should be discreet and make use of this material to create good things, thus bringing peace to the world. There's nothing wrong in the saying "everything is created by the mind". However, w...
00209 Practicing Asceticism Does Not Lead to Buddhahood
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 130 MB(Chinese) Practicing asceticism can help one attain certain spiritual achievements, such as the abilities to see the past, present, and future, to cure people of their diseases, and to wield magical power, but it can never lead to eternal liberation. Shakyamuni Buddha attained great compassion through his practice. He even sacrificed his physical body and forsook his kingdom, courtly life, wives, and children, and yet failed to attain Bodhi (enlightenment) and liberati...
00305 All Methods Are for Spiritual Practice
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 47 minutes - 21.8 MB(Chinese) To live a happy life, we should look at every place as Buddha's place, everyone as a Buddha, and every situation as a blessing and arrangement of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. The world is originally perfect and there's nothing to worry about. That's why Lao-tzu said, "There's nothing wrong with the world originally." Nothing needs to be changed except our mind and perceptions. No matter what we do, the purpose is always to know how perfect we are instead of ...
00210 What is the Inner Sound?
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 96.9 MB(Chinese) Everything originates from the Sound. The Sound is God or the Buddha Nature. God is the highest level and the highest ideal. Hes represents the highest thought or concept, and is called Anuttara-Samyak-Sambodhi or the Buddha Nature in Buddhism. The Sound or Buddha Nature is eternal. Whether we become humans or animals, the Sound is forever within us and we can use it as long as we’re in a human body. Actually, the Sound is not sound. It’s a kind of ...
00220 Humility and Strong Faith Are Necessary in Spiritual Practice
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 145 MB(Chinese) How can we observe our own subtle arrogance? If we serve the Master, listen to her teachings, and follow her instructions, do we acquire sufficient humility? We’re born as humans in order to become Buddhas and noble beings, but we often lack enough determination, faith, and power. We’re lured by the world and pulled by society. We’re influenced by our friends and polluted by meat and wine. Thus, it's extremely difficult for us to practice spiritually. In his ...
00295 Truth Can Never Be Alone
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 37 MB(Chinese) When Shakyamuni Buddha, Jesus Christ, Lao Tzu and Confucius lived in the world, even though many people did not like them and attacked them, they still talked about the Truth. Truth can never be diminished. The Truth they spoke of is still well-known today and has influenced many people. Truth is never alone. They told the truth and didn't tell lies. Therefore, there must be enlightened people in the world who can realize their Truth. The students w...
00292A Karma Does Not Exist Originally
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 30.3 MB(Chinese) Quan Yin practitioners will surely transform if they really follow Master's instructions in their spiritual practice. It is impossible for them to remain the same, because the power of the sound meditation is incredible and it will help us cleanse all our karma. Only then can we truly understand that karma does not exist in the first place. At that time, we will forgive ourselves and truly realize that we have no sin. The sound stream can comfort ou...
00142 Enlightenment Is Buddha and Ignorance Is Sentient Beings
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 31.2 MB(Chinese) In the eyes of an enlightened person, everyone is a Buddha. If you truly practice, some day you will realize this level and know that all beings are Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. There would be no sentient beings without Buddhas, nor Buddhas without sentient beings. Buddhas are the true sentient beings, and sentient beings are the true Buddhas. There's nothing else we can say except this. Sentient beings don't know they are Buddhas yet, so Buddhas and Bodhisattva...
00309 Spiritual Practice Is to Attain the Tao and See the Buddha Nature
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 49 minutes - 23 MB(Chinese) We spiritual practitioners attract a lot of good atmosphere to ourselves, so we feel at ease and lucky after we practice. We meet good people and any problems we may have are quickly solved, or disappear or turn into small ones. Many spiritual practitioners are attached to the outside form of sitting cross-legged in meditation. We can attain the Tao only if we have the Tao. Otherwise, it would be useless even if we sit cross-legged for a hundred yea...
00306 The Soul Will Know What Is True
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 30.7 MB(Chinese) Why do people like to go to bright places? That’s because we love our inner Buddha Light, our own Light, which our soul longs for but cannot find; therefore, we grab something fake from outside in the belief that it will satisfy us. However, it gives us no satisfaction, and the more fake things we have, the more our longing grows. Our own Master likes the Truth and can find no satisfaction in the false stuff outside. Isn’t that so? Our soul knows wh...
00330 The Big-Boot Method
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 32.8 MB(Chinese) The Buddhist Sutra says that "troubles are Bodhi." How do we turn trouble into Bodhi? Supreme Master Ching Hai points out that we can easily find our Buddha nature with good methods of spiritual practice; there's no need to change anything. We just look for Bodhi and leave trouble behind; of course trouble still exists, but it is no longer our concern. Just like when we are focused on our work, we do not feel hungry. For example, on a road full of thorns and ...
00303 Out-of-body Experience Is Different from That of Tathagata
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 27.2 MB(Chinese) Why doesn't Master teach the out-of-body method? What is the difference between the out-of-body method and the Quan Yin Method of ultimate liberation? The so-called out-of-body experience is our astral body going out of the physical body; this can be done without much high-level spiritual practice. The real Self is still locked in the astral body. It cannot be omnipresent. The high-level spiritual journey is the level of Tathagata. It can be present...
00219 The Only Mission of Enlightened Masters is to Deliver Sentient Beings
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 119 MB(Chinese) Why do we have enlightened Masters who descend to this world life after life to save sentient beings? Even though all beings have the Buddha nature, we wouldn’t be able to become Buddhas without being given the key to enlightenment from a living Buddha. Thus, Buddhas have to come back life after life. However, sentient beings experience many obstacles during their lifetimes. They bear not only their own karma, but also that of their ancestors and the collecti...
01923B-V0731 The Strength of Many Hearts
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 24.5 MB(Aulacese(Vietnamese)) On the evening of Christmas Day 2001, The Supreme Master Ching Hai and fellow practitioners celebrate together in the Florida Center. During this special gathering, disciples share their inspiring stories of the immense blessings that God showers upon them, and how Master’s love and protection manifests in their lives, in so many different ways. Through positive actions, our environment is blessed and uplifted. Through meditation and si...
01946B-V0766 Attending Retreats with a Pure Motive
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 159 MB(Aulacese(Vietnamese)) Excerpts from Supreme Master Ching Hai’s lecture: We live a life with no meaning, in darkness, lowly, not worthy for being a human being. Understand? So we have to reclaim our right being a human, regain our honor, our own power and wisdom. Meditation time is the time we...concentrate the treasures for ourselves, in order to nourish our body and mind as well...The most precious time of your day is meditation time. Ev...
00297 Becoming Buddha Is the Greatest Merit
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 49.7 MB(Chinese) Why do Buddhas and Bodhisattvas come to this samsara world without encouraging us to pray for worldly blessings? Will it bring immense merit if we make offerings, build temples and print sutras? Supreme Master Ching Hai explains that immense merits are only immense in this world; nothing is immense from the Buddha's point of view, because sooner or later everything within the Three Worlds will be destroyed, let alone your immense merits. Buddhas and Bodhisat...
00304 How to Recognize Master’s Blessing
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 57 minutes - 26.6 MB(Chinese) The enlightened Master can manifest blessings in different ways. Some can see Master appear in one form, and some can see Hier in another; some can see the light and some can hear the sound. All of these are Master’s blessings. Not everybody can see Master’s manifestations. It depends on their spiritual practice in previous lives, or their current degree of sincerity and effort. Many conditions have to come together in order for one to be able to see Master....
00137 Spiritual Practice Is Not Done Through Outer Means
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 55 minutes - 19.2 MB(Chinese) We recite the sutras in order to understand the Truth; we also come to lectures for the purpose of understanding the Truth. We want to understand why we need to do spiritual practice, why we need to be liberated from life and death, and why this world is full of suffering. We want to find a place with eternal happiness, so we come to listen to the teachings. Originally, spiritual practice is nothing mysterious, but since we can't see or grab the uni...
01801A-V0644 In Silence We Know God
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 40.1 MB(English) During a European Lecture tour, Supreme Master Ching Hai accepted the invitation from sincere truth seekers to make a stopover in Madrid, Spain. In this wisdom-filled talk, the Supreme Master conveys in simplicity and clarity to the Spanish audience the way to know God. She describes how we can neutralize the balance of our material life and our abstract spiritual life to make a perfect life for ourselves. Being children of God we can choose whatever we want ...
01883B-V0715 Practice in Silence & Humility
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 29 minutes - 40.4 MB(Aulacese(Vietnamese), English) In a joyous intimate meeting, the Supreme Master Ching Hai advised us that as spiritual practitioners we should be flexible under any circumstances without blaming others. If we practice in quietness with sincerity and humility, our spiritual path will be less affected by worldly upheaval. As genuine practitioners, we should not be over-reactive, noisy, and boastful, but just let things develop naturally. As sojourners in this world, we ...
00194 Heaven or Hell is Just in a Flash of Thought
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 148 MB(Chinese) Where do we find Heaven? Do we need to find a heavenly ladder to reach Heaven? Supreme Master Ching Hai says that being in either Heaven or Hell occurs just in a flash of thought, and that in Heaven there is no greed, hatred or ignorance. When we’re in the Samsara world, it’s just like being in Heaven if we feel no suffering. Thus, we hear teachings such as “Buddha is in our heart” and “the heavenly kingdom is within us.” If we practice well and hav...
00192 Purify Ourselves First to Recognize Saintly Beings
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 35.6 MB(Chinese) We’re all originally Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, but if the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas were to come now, we could not recognize them, because we haven’t regained our worthiness of seeing them. It’s been a long time since we came down from Heaven and began to live on Earth, and we’ve been badly contaminated by the world of Samsara. Thus, we’ve forgotten our original Nature. We can’t see the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas because we’ve become spiritual beggars and ordina...
00123 The True Meaning of Amitabha Praise
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 25.1 MB(Chinese) Vibration is a kind of fine, subtle light. All scientists know that vibration is a kind of sound and light. If the sound is very fine, it turns into fine, subtle light that can be seen by our physical eyes. That's the basis of the working of television and radio stations: They send out microwave vibrations. All of the great spiritual practitioners emit such fine, subtle light, which is the so-called aura. The aura is a kind of fine, subtle light. It...
00191 Beings Delivered Not by Buddha, But Should Deliver Themselves
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 36.8 MB(Chinese) Do you know why Shakyamuni Buddha, after attaining the Buddhahood, wanted to enter Nirvana instead of delivering sentient beings? We have heard that we will act selflessly without ego once we attain Buddhahood or the highest spiritual level. What kind of state is that? Why does Supreme Master Ching Hai say that delivering sentient beings is still within the realm of human emotions, and that there are no sentient beings to be delivered but, rather, beings shou...
00190 The Nature of the Three Worlds
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 31.6 MB(Chinese) When we enter the First World, we already feel incredibly happy. Each World has its own highest lord or god. When we meet the lord or god of this World (instead of his subordinates) we feel extremely blissful. And a thorough, radical change in our personality, thinking and way of life occurs. This change is unimaginable for us. Our power grows quickly, and our wisdom is instantly awakened. That’s why we think that we’ve reached the highest possible World. ...
00193 Only True Belief Can Lead to Liberation
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 33.7 MB(Chinese) We should not be superstitious in spiritual practice, but should clearly understand why we practice this method. Many methods are claimed to be able to liberate people. How then can we distinguish the true from the false? All ancient religions and scriptures stress that people must find an enlightened master to know the way. How can we find a true master? Supreme Master Ching Hai analyzes all kinds of methods, explains the difference between the right way and...
00120 Ego: A Source of Crisis for Spiritual Practitioners
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 38 minutes - 13.3 MB(Chinese) What is ego? Why does too much ego create a crisis for spiritual practitioners? Supreme Master Ching Hai tells the story of the Race between the Tortoise and the Hare, reminding us to control our egos and not become arrogant. Any time we practice with others with an arrogant attitude, and deliberately seek to be higher than our friends so that they’ll see how we practice harder than they do, maya's hindrance will emerge. Thus, we should always monitor our per...
00196 What Is Maya?
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 47 minutes - 16.2 MB(Chinese) If a person uses means such as wealth, beauty, wine, meat, or fame to bind us to this world and hinder us from practicing and gaining liberation, that person is the subordinate of maya, or is probably himself the king of maya. Don't think that maya is only in hell. He’s in this world! However, those who bind us don’t look like the true maya. Charming individuals are also maya; those who give us a lot of money and like to cook meat and offer wine to us are all...
00189 What Is Buddha?
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 35.3 MB(Chinese) We’ve read a lot of scriptures, and we think we understand them, but actually we don’t. In the scriptures, Shakyamuni Buddha says, "We have to meet a Buddha and learn from the Buddha in order to attain Buddhahood." However, it's not very easy to meet a Buddha. Only those with the most blessings can meet a Buddha. It’s not easy to hear about a Buddha or to see a Buddha, not to mention to become his or her disciple. What is “Buddha (Fo)”? You all know...
00188 The Real Lotus Sutra
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 35.6 MB(Chinese) The Quan Yin Method is the simplest and the most natural method. To practice spiritually, we should go with the Tao. We can't use the body or the mind of an ordinary being to practice. We need to give up everything from the body, speech and mind of an ordinary being. The minds of ordinary beings are too used to complicated things, and that’s why very few people can practice the Quan Yin Method. The Quan Yin Method is the best method because to pract...
00302 Spiritual Practitioners Should be Peaceful and Positive
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 1 hour - 28.2 MB(Chinese) Supreme Master Ching Hai hopes and encourages spiritual practitioners to have a positive attitude and to be optimistic. We should say positive and nice words instead of negative ones. If we want to improve our practice and avoid Maya's hindrance, we should have a positive attitude to scare ghosts and demons away. Then they dare not bother us even if they come. When our positive power is strong, they will be scared away. The vibration of Buddhas and ...
00622 Everything Is Contained in Our Original Nature
July 24, 2022 13:26 - 55 minutes - 19.1 MB(Chinese) Many religious groups emphasize learning doctrines and/or magical arts instead of searching for the Original Nature. Indeed, our Original Nature contains everything we need. We will gain all that we require in life as long as we inwardly connect with our Original Nature each day through the Quan Yin Method. We should rely on Hirm, because Hes can take always care of us. Anything that makes us forget our noblest, richest, original Self is Maya. Witho...