In this interview, Gordon White and Phillip J. Watt discuss what magic is, its historic and modern context, the scientific evidence for magical phenomena and how we are subject to cyclic forces on a collective scale, as well as how to decentralise our lives in response to the increasing centralisation of our social system.

You can follow and support Gordon White's work at www.runesoup.com and www.twitter.com/gordon_white

You can follow Phillip J. Watt at his websites www.vitalityguidance.com and www.pushingthetippingpoint.com, as well as his YouTube Channel 'The Conscious Society' and his Facebook page Phillip J. Watt.

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