Aubrey Stearn is the Technical Lead for the Enterprise Cloud Platform at Nationwide. In the broadcast we talk with Aubrey about her chapter, "The Tale of the Burning Programme", in the recently released "Epic Failures in DevSecOps" book.

Aubrey talks about her extensive experience guiding and molding teams, leading the way through the maze of decisions needed in order to build a more productive and efficient engineering culture.

We start off the discussion with "Why is our biggest problem DevOps, itself?"