DEEP Dive
57 episodes - English - Latest episode: about 2 months ago -DEEP Dive is a podcast series from NATO’s Defence Education Enhancement Programme (DEEP). Each episode provides commentary and analysis with experts and practitioners on a variety of subjects, including international security and defence, counter-terrorism, and geopolitical current events. For more information and additional content, including full transcripts of each episode, please visit deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
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Episode 55 - Mahmut Cengiz and Terrorism After October 7
February 28, 2024 11:00 - 24 minutes - 23.1 MBIn addition to the events unfolding in the Middle East, global security challenges continues to proliferate elsewhere. In episode 55 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Prof. Mahmut Cengiz to discuss the state of global terrorism from Iran to the Sahel and Somalia to Syria. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new upload.
Episode 54 - Joseph Votel and the Threat from Iran and Beyond
February 13, 2024 11:00 - 42 minutes - 97.2 MBIran's activities have been at the forefront of global events in recent months. Tehran's proxies have launched multiple missile strikes into neighbouring countries and have targeted the U.S. military, whilst the Houthis in Yemen have brought global maritime trade to a standstill. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and former CENTCOM Commander Joseph Votel in episode 54 of NATO DEEP Dive to unpack these issues and more. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int...
Episode 53 - Meghann Teubner & Kelli Foy and Mainstreaming Extremism
February 05, 2024 11:55 - 50 minutes - 116 MBNow more than ever, it is becoming increasingly easier to find extremist content on the internet. We find ourselves in an era characterized by flashy and digestible sound bites that quickly circulate online. This also leads to the proliferation of disinformation. To unpack this, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by two senior members of the NYPD's counterterrorism division, Meghann Teubner and Kelli Foy, in episode 53 of NATO DEEP Dive. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https:/...
Episode 52 - Sajjan Gohel Part 2: Doctor, Teacher, Terrorist
January 08, 2024 11:00 - 45 minutes - 42 MBEven after his death, al-Qaeda's last leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, continues to influence global terrorism. Through his 'Safe Bases' strategy, al-Qaeda and its affiliates are seeking to restore capabilities in Afghanistan, the Middle East, North Africa, and Pakistan. Join the producers, Marcus and Victoria, for the final part of this NATO DEEP Dive special with Dr. Sajjan Gohel, as they discuss his new book, Doctor, Teacher, Terrorist: The Life and Legacy of Al-Qaeda Leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. ...
Episode 51 - Sajjan Gohel Part 1: Doctor, Teacher, Terrorist
December 13, 2023 11:05 - 40 minutes - 91.7 MBHow does a person of privilege and status become the world's most wanted terrorist? In the first of a two-part special, Dr. Sajjan Gohel discusses his new book, Doctor, Teacher, Terrorist: The Life and Legacy of al-Qaeda Leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. Often forgotten in the shadow of bin Landen, the Egyptian ideologue was his closest ally and a pivotal figure in his own right, significantly influencing transnational terrorism across five decades. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at...
Episode 50 - Andrei Soldatov and Surviving Putin's Russia
November 17, 2023 11:00 - 46 minutes - 107 MBJournalist, author, and Russian dissident, Andrei Soldatov joins Dr. Sajjan Gohel in the latest instalment of NATO DEEP Dive. In episode 50, Andrei details the brutal methods employed by Vladimir Putin, dating back to the Second Chechen War, to ensure his grasp on power remains firm. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new upload.
Episode 49 - David Loyn and the Retro Taliban
October 30, 2023 11:00 - 37 minutes - 34.9 MBOver 2 years after the Taliban takeover, friend of the show David Loyn returns to discuss recent developments in Afghanistan. Alongside Dr. Sajjan Gohel, David discusses how the regime is more extreme now than it was during the 1990s and details its continuous engagement with al-Qaeda and its assault on the rights of women. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new ...
Episode 48 - Ravi Satkalmi and the D.C. Capitol Police
October 19, 2023 10:00 - 33 minutes - 30.8 MBAs the only law enforcement agency under the U.S. legislative branch, the DC Capitol Police is responsible for protecting members of Congress both domestically and overseas. In recent years, the Capitol Police have played a crucial role in defending members of the U.S. government, from the storming of the Capitol building on January 6 2021, to protecting Congressmen and women from increasingly emboldened hostile state actors. In episode 48 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Rav...
Episode 47 - Caroline Rose and the Captagon Challenge
September 28, 2023 10:00 - 31 minutes - 72.4 MBA new and dangerous problem is emanating from Syria. This time, it’s not in the form of civil war chaos, but a highly addictive amphetamine known as Captagon. In episode 47 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr Sajjan Gohel and Caroline Rose, the Director of the Strategic Blind Spots Portfolio at the New Lines Institute, attempt to get to the bottom of this new epidemic, tracing narcotics routes from the Balkans to the Middle East and beyond. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepp...
Episode 46 - Anne Craanen and Tech Against Terrorism
September 14, 2023 10:00 - 38 minutes - 87.2 MBFor many years, the internet has become a crucial theatre for terrorist activity. From live streaming attacks to disseminating propaganda, sharing memes and even running their own websites, the threat posed by these groups and individuals on the online space is diverse. This is where Tech Against Terrorism steps in, working to counter the presence of terrorists and violent extremists from the internet. In episode 46 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Anne Craanen, Research Mana...
Episode 45 - Guillaume Soto-Mayor and the Cost of Coups in the Sahel
August 31, 2023 10:00 - 35 minutes - 80.6 MBOn 26 July 2023, Niger fell victim to its fifth coup since independence - plunging the country into uncertainty. To help explain why Niger and its fellow Sahel countries have experienced such political turmoil in recent years, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Guillaume Soto-Mayor, a Non-Resident Scholar at the Middle East Institute, who is based in Senegal. Episode 45 of NATO DEEP Dive explores Africa's relationship with external forces, including the Wagner Group, ISIS, and al-Qaeda. Full tra...
Episode 44 - Karl Kaltenthaler: In the Situation Room
August 16, 2023 10:00 - 40 minutes - 91.6 MBFrom Russia to the Sahel and Syria to Afghanistan, Episode 44 covers everything you need to understand about the current geopolitical climate. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Dr. Karl Kaltenthaler as they dissect a variety of subjects, including the future of the Wagner Group, the nature of the new Iraqi government, and Pakistan's attempts to handle the extremist groups it once cultivated. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcast...
Episode 43 - Seamus Hughes, ‘The Document Digger’
July 28, 2023 10:00 - 34 minutes - 78.1 MBExamining 2,000 pages of court records per day, Seamus Hughes has earned his tag as ‘The Document Digger.’ From discovering indictments of the FBI's Most Wanted characters in misfiled cases to uncovering DEA seizures of fentanyl shipped to the US from China, Hughes’ job is never short of drama. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel as he discusses these cases and more with Seamus Hughes in the latest episode of NATO DEEP Dive. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.in...
Episode 42: Greg Hinds and Interpol at 100
July 10, 2023 10:00 - 18 minutes - 43 MBSince its founding 100 years ago, Interpol has stood at the forefront against transnational crime and terrorism. Interpol remains crucial to international security and capacity building, enhancing cooperation and capabilities among its 195 members. In episode 42 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Greg Hinds, the Director for Counter-Terrorism at Interpol, to discuss how the organisation works across the globe in an ever-changing and evolving threat landscape. Full transcripts ...
Episode 41 - Hadelin Feront and Combating Extremism Online
June 20, 2023 10:00 - 29 minutes - 67.3 MBMeta sits at the forefront of the online world, connecting people all over the globe through its social media applications. This also makes Meta proactive to counter bad-faith actors, including terrorists. On episode 41 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Hadelin Feront, a member of Meta's Global Counter-Terrorism Policy team, for a discussion into how the company ensures that extremists are countered in the online space, whilst also respecting the privacy and end-to-end encrypt...
Episode 40 - Mike Martin and Lessons From War
June 01, 2023 10:00 - 27 minutes - 64 MBIn war, psychology is just as important as sheer strength and troop numbers, and Ukraine has maintained its psychological advantage over Russia since the very start of the latter’s invasion. In episode 40 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel sits down with Mike Martin to discuss the lessons we can learn from not only the war in Ukraine, but also from other conflicts including the war in Afghanistan. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/de...
Episode 39 - Paul Ash and the Christchurch Call
May 14, 2023 10:00 - 44 minutes - 103 MBThe 2019 Christchurch terrorist attack was a game changer for law enforcement in New Zealand and beyond. The live stream and subsequent reuploads of the attack garnered millions of views, posing a real risk of encouraging copycat attacks. The Christchurch Call was established in this context, as a collaboration between governments, tech companies, and civil society to ensure that terrorists and violent extremists can never use social media to amplify their attacks again. In this episode of N...
Episode 38 - Tim Marshall Part 2: The Politics of Space
April 25, 2023 10:00 - 33 minutes - 76.2 MBAhead of the release of his new book The Future of Geography: How Power and Politics in Space Will Change Our World, author and journalist Tim Marshall sits down with Dr. Sajjan Gohel for part two of their discussion. In episode 38 of NATO DEEP Dive, Tim and Sajjan ponder the growing importance of space to international relations and whether we are in the midst of a Space Race 2.0. One thing is certain: what happens in space will shape human history the same way the geography of mountains, r...
Episode 37 - Tim Marshall Part 1: The Future of Geography
April 14, 2023 10:00 - 42 minutes - 96.9 MBWhen Tim Marshall first appeared on the NATO DEEP Dive podcast, he coined the term ‘The Dangerous Decade’ to describe the 2020s. Now, nearly 18 months on, his description has been proved prescient on more than one occasion. From Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to China’s military posturing in the Indo-Pacific, Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Tim Marshall take stock of all that has happened since and what could take place in the future of this dangerous decade. Full transcripts for each episode can be fou...
Episode 36 - Todd Helmus and the Disinformation Battlefield
March 31, 2023 10:00 - 33 minutes - 76.3 MBIn modern warfare, controlling the online information space is as important as making physical gains on the battlefield. In addition to its military defence capabilities, Ukraine has proved it can win hearts and minds through social media by documenting its army's successes and Russian atrocities. In episode 36 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by senior behavioural scientist at RAND, Todd Helmus, to discuss the importance of the information battlefield and how artificial intelli...
Episode 35 - Lynne O'Donnell Part 3: The Future of AfPak
March 17, 2023 11:00 - 21 minutes - 49.8 MBFrom opposition groups forming in Tajikistan and beyond, to the growth of the TTP in Pakistan, the Taliban's return to power has had far-reaching implications for the region and ultimately the world. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel for the third and final part of our three-part special with Foreign Policy's Lynne O'Donnell to explore these very dynamics. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date...
Episode 34 - Lynne O’Donnell Part 2: An Afghan Dystopia
March 07, 2023 11:00 - 29 minutes - 67.1 MBSince their return to power, the Taliban have reimposed their draconic doctrine on Afghans, particularly women. Following her first-hand experience in the country, Lynne O'Donnell provides her assessment of the new regime and the key decision-makers. Lynne also details how China has sought to enhance its position in Afghanistan, but faces the same challenges as the West once did. This is episode two of a three-part special. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepport...
Episode 33 - Lynne O’Donnell Part 1: Detained by the Taliban
February 24, 2023 11:00 - 32 minutes - 73.4 MBIn July 2022, Foreign Policy's Lynne O'Donnell returned to Afghanistan for the first time since the Taliban had retaken the country. What was meant to be a typical reporting trip suddenly turned into an ordeal when Lynne was detained and interrogated by senior members of the Taliban's leadership. In episode 33 of NATO DEEP Dive, Lynne joins Dr. Sajjan Gohel to recount her own personal experiences facing the Taliban’s misogyny and intimidation tactics. This episode is the first of a three-par...
Episode 32 - Terri Nicholson and a Career in Global Security
February 03, 2023 11:00 - 37 minutes - 85.3 MBAfter a distinguished and decorated career in policing that spanned decades, Terri Nicholson shifted roles to provide security for Paramount Pictures, one of the world's leading producers of entertainment content. In episode 32 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Terri about her career and experiences dedicated to global security as well as the transferable skills from law enforcement to the private sector. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq...
Episode 31 - Alex Tiersky & Michael Cecire and Holding Russia Accountable
January 19, 2023 11:00 - 39 minutes - 91 MBEstablished in June 1976, the Helsinki Commission set out to monitor human rights conditions in Europe in the context of the Cold War. Nearly half a century later, the commission is as relevant as ever, laying the framework to hold Russia accountable following the conclusion of the war in Ukraine. In episode 31 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Alex Tiersky and Michael Cecire to discuss the key role that the Helsinki Commission is playing in the collection of battlefield evide...
Episode 30 - Daniel Koehler and Dealing with Radicalisation
January 05, 2023 11:00 - 36 minutes - 84.1 MBOn 7 December 2022, a plot to overthrow the German government was uncovered by the police. Conspiracy theory cases such as this have spread rapidly throughout the pandemic, on social media platforms, and in online gaming chatrooms, where children as young as 12 are being lured into extremist circles. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel in this episode of NATO DEEP Dive as he talks to Daniel Koehler about these very issues, as well as how deradicalisation programmes can be improved to obtain better results...
Episode 29 - Julia Ebner and Embedding with Extremists
December 19, 2022 11:00 - 27 minutes - 62.2 MBTo understand extremists, sometimes you have to go undercover. Julia Ebner did exactly that. Embedding herself within neo-Nazi and jihadist groups, Ebner discovered shocking revelations about what causes people to become radicalised, as well as finding that the two seemingly incompatible movements actually feed off each other. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new upload.
Episode 28 - Pieter Van Ostaeyen and the Status of ISIS
December 02, 2022 11:00 - 26 minutes - 60.5 MBISIS used to dominate international headlines, with news of attacks on Western soil, and gruesome atrocities in Syria and Iraq. Since the collapse of its so-called caliphate, ISIS has become a shadow of its former self - or has it? In this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Pieter Van Ostaeyen, a historian, Arabist, and expert on ISIS, to discuss the current state of the group. From Europe to the Sahel, ISIS and its supporters remain active, physically and virtually, an...
Episode 27 - Phil Gurski and the Multiplicity of Threats
November 15, 2022 11:00 - 31 minutes - 71.9 MBThe past three years have seen a multitude of threats facing governments throughout the world, from the COVID-19 pandemic to the war in Ukraine; the ever-present threat of international jihadism to the rising concerns posed by far-right groups. In this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Phil Gurski, a former senior strategic analyst at the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS). They take stock of these emerging threats and discuss how law enforcement and intelli...
Episode 26 - Mahmut Cengiz and Transnational Terrorism
October 27, 2022 10:00 - 25 minutes - 57.3 MBFrom the COVID-19 Pandemic to the targeted killings of their leaders, transnational terrorist organisations have had to adapt to changing circumstances in the past three years. On this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Associate Professor Mahmut Cengiz from George Mason University joins Dr. Sajjan Gohel to provide an expert breakdown of the current status of ISIS, al-Qaeda, and their global affiliates. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-...
Episode 26 - Mahmut Cengiz and the Terror Underground
October 27, 2022 10:00 - 25 minutes - 57.3 MBFrom the COVID-19 Pandemic to the targeted killings of their leaders, transnational terrorist organisations have had to adapt to changing circumstances in the past three years. On this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Associate Professor Mahmut Cengiz from George Mason University joins Dr. Sajjan Gohel to provide an expert breakdown of the current status of ISIS, al-Qaeda, and their global affiliates. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep...
Episode 25 - Diana Soller and Resisting Dictatorships
October 12, 2022 10:00 - 31 minutes - 72.7 MBOn 16 September 2022, 22 year old Mahsa Amini died in police custody for the perceived improper wearing of her hijab. Protests have subsequently erupted across Iran against the regime's theocratic rule. At the same time, Vladimir Putin has struggled to implement his conscription drive in Russia to increase troop numbers in his war against Ukraine. Both Russia and Iran are facing anger from their respective populations and the international community. Can internal opposition aided by economic...
Episode 24 - Sarah Adams and Decoding Terrorism
September 21, 2022 10:00 - 41 minutes - 96 MBOn September 11, 2012, terrorists tied to al-Qaeda attacked the U.S. embassy in Benghazi, killing the American ambassador and three others. Yet, 10 years on, some of the plotters remain at large. In episode 24 of NATO DEEP Dive Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by counter-terrorism practitioner Sarah Adams to unpack the consequences of the attack, as well as looking at the other important developments including the implications of the death of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri in Afghanistan and in...
Episode 23 - Rebecca Weiner and the NYPD Intelligence Bureau
September 01, 2022 10:00 - 47 minutes - 108 MBFrom popular movies to TV series, the NYPD has long been depicted as keeping New York safe, but what is life really like inside the world's most famous police department? In episode 23 of NATO DEEP Dive Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Rebecca Wiener, the Assistant Commissioner for Intelligence Analysis at the New York City Police Department to find out just that. From fighting crime and terrorism to combating online disinformation, the NYPD plays a crucial role in maintaining law and order not...
Episode 22 - Asfandyar Mir and AfPak, One Year Since the Taliban Return
August 16, 2022 10:00 - 1 hour - 153 MBThe U.S. counter-terrorism in Kabul, Afghanistan eliminated al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri and once again exposed the close relationship the terrorist group enjoys with the Taliban and the Haqqani Network. 16 August 2022 marks one year since the Taliban seized power in Kabul. In that time, Afghanistan has experienced hardships, violence, and misogyny. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Afghanistan-Pakistan (AfPak) expert Dr. Asfandyar Mir as they break down the defining moments of the Taliban's fi...
Episode 21 - Minna Alander and NATO's Nordic Frontline
August 03, 2022 10:00 - 34 minutes - 79.2 MBWhen Putin invaded Ukraine he claimed NATO expansion as the cause. Yet, 6 months later, the NATO alliance is on the cusp of growing stronger, with the addition of the historically neutral Finland and Sweden. In episode 21 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel, with the help of Minna Alander, explore the reasons and implications behind this decision. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to ...
Episode 20 - Asanga Abeyagoonasekera and Sri Lanka's Collapse
July 20, 2022 10:00 - 38 minutes - 88.3 MBSri Lanka's descent into chaos has gripped the world's attention. With Gotabaya Rajapaksa fleeing the country and resigning in exile, this episode unpacks the events that led to the collapse of such a thriving and democratic nation. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Asanga Abeyagoonasekera as they dissect the lessons the international community can learn from such poor political and economic management. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep...
Episode 19 - Jennifer Hurst and International Law Enforcement
July 06, 2022 09:00 - 53 minutes - 122 MBWant to understand the frontline responsibilities of an experienced federal police officer? In episode 19 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel endeavours to do just that, with Commander Jennifer Hurst of the Australian Federal Police (AFP). On the agenda is Commander Hurst's crucial role in the investigation of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 that was shot down over Ukraine in 2014, the foiling of the one of the biggest terrorist plots against the aviation industry since 9/11, and the growing c...
Episode 18 - Tom Wuchte and the Importance of Multilateralism
June 23, 2022 10:00 - 53 minutes - 122 MBIs improved multilateralism the answer to future security concerns in a post-pandemic world? Does the war in Ukraine complicate the debate around definitions of foreign fighters? Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Tom Wuchte as they attempt to answer these questions and more in episode 18 of NATO DEEP Dive. For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
Episode 17 - Lina Rozbih and Women in Afghanistan, Part 2
June 07, 2022 10:00 - 53 minutes - 122 MBIn the second of a two-part series on the decline of women's rights in Afghanistan, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Afghan journalist and poet Lina Rozbih. Building on Part 1, this episode of NATO DEEP Dive highlights the cultural decline taking place in Afghanistan and debunks the notion of a 'moderate Taliban.' For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
Episode 16 - Meetra Qutb and Women in Afghanistan, Part 1
May 26, 2022 10:00 - 43 minutes - 99.3 MBIn the first of a two-part series on the plight of women in Afghanistan, Dr Sajjan Gohel is joined by Meetra Qutb to discuss the Taliban's misogynistic rule of the country. This episode of NATO DEEP Dive covers the recent banning of Afghan women and girls from education as well as the Taliban's links to al-Qaeda and allies in Pakistan. For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
Episode 15 - Mary Fetchet & Sue O'Sullivan and Supporting Victims of Terrorism
May 12, 2022 10:00 - 54 minutes - 125 MBIn episode 15 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Mary Fetchet and Sue O'Sullivan. Mary is the driving force behind VOICES, an organisation she co-founded in 2001 after her son Brad was killed at the World Trade Center during the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Sue has served as the Deputy Chief of Police for the Ottawa Police Service and Canada's Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime and has continuously advocated to increase support services for victims of terrorism throughout her car...
Episode 14 - Mohammed Naqvi and Documenting Extremism
April 28, 2022 10:00 - 47 minutes - 110 MBIn episode 14 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Mohammed Ali Naqvi, a Pakistani-American filmmaker. They discuss his documentaries, which explore themes of human rights, social justice, politics, identity, and radicalisation. Mohammed's films include Among the Believers, Insha'Allah Democracy, and The Accused: Damned Or Devoted? Mohammed also served as co-executive producer of the Netflix docuseries Turning Point: 9/11 and the War on Terror. For the episode transcript please visit: d...
Episode 13 - Leon Panetta and Strengthening Global Alliances
April 13, 2022 10:00 - 40 minutes - 92.4 MBIn episode 13 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to the former Defence Secretary of the United States, Leon Panetta, who also served as the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in President Barack Obama’s administration. They discuss Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine, building global security alliances to strengthen democracies, and how the threat of transnational terrorism has not gone away. For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
Episode 12 - David Loyn and the Taliban Dilemma
April 07, 2022 10:00 - 44 minutes - 103 MBIn episode 12 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to David Loyn who was an award-winning foreign correspondent for thirty years for the BBC. He is an authority on Afghanistan, a country he has visited regularly. In 2017, David worked for a year as an adviser in the office of the Afghan president. His book The Long War uncovers the political and military strategies that tried to defeat the Taliban across two decades. For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
Episode 11 - Aaron Zelin and Understanding Jihadology
March 24, 2022 11:00 - 56 minutes - 128 MBIn episode 11 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Dr. Aaron Zelin who is with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a visiting research scholar at Brandeis University. They discuss the current state of transnational terrorism, the challenges in the Middle East and North Africa as well as Afghanistan. Aaron is the author of the book Your Sons Are At Your Service: Tunisia's Missionaries of Jihad. He is also the founder of the website Jihadology which is a clearinghouse for pri...
Episode 10 - Jane Perlez and China, From Nixon to Putin
March 09, 2022 11:00 - 52 minutes - 121 MBIn episode 10 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Jane Perlez, a foreign correspondent for The New York Times. Jane also served as the newspaper's Beijing Bureau Chief in China until 2019. Sajjan and Jane discuss China’s global rise and influence as well as Jane’s new podcast, The Great Wager, from NPR & WBUR’s Here & Now. The series reveals how the U.S.-China connection emerged 50 years ago between President Richard Nixon and Mao Zedong, the chairman of the Chinese Communist Party. Fo...
Episode 9 - Elisabeth Braw and the Ukraine Crisis
February 24, 2022 20:00 - 36 minutes - 83.4 MBIn episode 9 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Elisabeth Braw, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), where she focuses on defence against emerging national security challenges, such as hybrid and grey zone threats. They discuss the Russian invasion of Ukraine, how it was planned, and what may happen next. For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
Episode 8 - Jessica Davis and Financing Terror
February 23, 2022 11:00 - 42 minutes - 96.4 MBIn episode 8 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Jessica Davis, the President of Insight Threat Intelligence, and President of the Canadian Association for Security and Intelligence Studies. They discuss the different methods of terrorist financing as well as the current related developments around the world. Jessica had senior roles at Canada’s financial intelligence unit, FINTRAC, and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS). Jessica is also the author of Women in Modern Terr...
Episode 7 - Edmund Fitton-Brown and Monitoring Terrorists
February 09, 2022 11:00 - 57 minutes - 132 MBIn episode 7 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Edmund Fitton-Brown, the Coordinator of the United Nations Analytical Support and Sanctions Monitoring Team. His remit focuses on the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, as well as associated individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities. They discuss the current and emerging terrorist challenges across the world. For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive