Betsy Heeney is the host of the Elder & Wiser podcast. In this episode, I went into it not knowing what we were going to talk about, I just knew that we were going to talk about "death". (I love following my intuition!) We ended up talking about her bad relationship with her mother and how there was a turnaround on her mother's deathbed, art & creativity, and a bunch of other things. I hope you enjoy this episode!

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