Vidusha Nathavitharana is a leadership trainer, coach, and consultant. He has written over 50 books and he took the TEDx stage, talking about facilitating ‘learning’ not training and how learning can be linked to ROI when delivered exactly right. Andy Lopata and Vidusha discuss a variety of leadership topics including, organisational culture, qualities of leadership and creating eco-systems to encourage and support.  They also talk about target orientation and the relationship between leaders and followers. The importance of vulnerability and credibility and the distinction between leaders as mentors and coaches follow on from their discussion.  They finish with a look at introverts and extroverts as leaders.