Unpacking the mysteries of hell and love with Derek Kubilus on Compass: Finding spirituality in the everyday. Derek takes us on a thought-provoking journey through the complex relationship between a God of love and the concept of eternal torment. Explore his ideas on purgatorial universalism, the evolution of hell in Christian theology, and how these […]

Unpacking the mysteries of hell and love with Derek Kubilus on Compass: Finding spirituality in the everyday. Derek takes us on a thought-provoking journey through the complex relationship between a God of love and the concept of eternal torment. Explore his ideas on purgatorial universalism, the evolution of hell in Christian theology, and how these beliefs shape our spiritual lives.


Derek has written a compelling book called “Holy Hell: A Case Against Eternal Damnation”. It is aimed at those traumatized by the fear of hell, offering hope and relief to individuals plagued by questions about the eternal fate of loved ones and themselves. We’ll explore how traditional views of eternal torment have impacted people’s relationships with God and spirituality, and how early Christian interpretations differ significantly from the dominant narrative.


In this episode:

(00:00) Compass explores spirituality, challenges conventional Christian doctrine.

(06:00) Book resonates with those questioning eternal hell.

(09:41) Exploratory theological journey led to innovative seminars.

(12:13) Convinced of purgatorial universalism, wrote book to help.

(16:43) People’s perception of God impacts relationships with others.

(19:39) Ancient Christians interpreted various words for hell.

(23:25) Spread of early Christian views on hell.

(26:09) Pruning: essential for growth and eternal punishment.

(29:17) Lost leg in 2012, endured painful rehab.

(35:32) Union with God, divinization, in human destiny. (39:36) Reinterpret old Christian standards for new generation.

(40:49) United Methodist Church embracing change with generosity.

(44:13) Busy episode, leave a rating, back soon.


Compass is a production of United Methodist Communications and is hosted by Rev. Ryan Dunn.


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