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Rachel Zucker speaks with Kaveh Akbar about his first full-length poetry collection, Calling a Wolf a Wolf. They talk about recovery, addiction, Ellen Bryant Voigt’s unpunctuated line, teaching, his writing process for poetry or prose, the hutzpah and/or cluelessness that enabled him to reach out to established poets, the founding and process of running Divedapper.com (Kaveh’s interview site), the art of interviewing, using poetry to press the pleasure button, social media, white poets writing about whiteness, writing to delight, writing with compassion, his poem “Heritage” (about Reyhaneh Jabbari), the potential violence of erasure poems, and the intersection of power and poetry.

Rachel Zucker speaks with Kaveh Akbar about his first full-length poetry collection, Calling a Wolf a Wolf. They talk about recovery, addiction, Ellen Bryant Voigt’s unpunctuated line, teaching, his writing process for poetry or prose, the hutzpah and/or cluelessness that enabled him to reach out to established poets, the founding and process of running Divedapper.com (Kaveh’s interview site), the art of interviewing, using poetry to press the pleasure button, social media, white poets writing about whiteness, writing to delight, writing with compassion, his poem “Heritage” (about Reyhaneh Jabbari), the potential violence of erasure poems, and the intersection of power and poetry.

EXTRA MATERIALS FOR EPISODE 40Books by Kaveh Akbar

Calling a Wolf a Wolf (Alice James, 2017)

Portrait of the Alcoholic (Sibling Rivalry Press, 2017)

Other Books and Writers Mentioned in the Episode

Ellen Bryant Voigt’s Headwaters (W.W. Norton, 2014)

The Rag-Picker's Guide to Poetry: Poems, Poets, Process (University of Michigan Press, 2013)

Robert Olen Butler’s Severance (Chronicle Books, 2008)

Lauren Oliver’s ROOMS (Ecco, 2015)

Tom Phillips’ A Humument (Thames and Hudson, 2017)

Charles Reznikoff’s Testimony (Black Sparrow Press, 2015)

Lauren Whitehead

Ross Gay

WS Merwin

Jean Valentine

Li-Young Lee

Jorie Graham

Lucille Clifton

Lucie Brock-Broido

Zbigniew Herbert

Chris Forhan

Dan Barden

Yusef Komunyakaa

Franz Wright

Robert Bly

Afaa Michael Weaver

Dorianne Laux

Fady Joudah

Sharon Olds

Philip Metres

Ilya Kaminsky

Ta-Nehisi Coates

Jake Adam York

Adrian Matejka

John Berryman

Robert Lowell

Bob Hicok

Tarfia Faizullah

Solmaz Sharif

Robin Coste Lewis

Major Jackson “A Mystifying Silence: Big and Black”

Other Relevant Materials

Paige Lewis

Butler University MFA

The Quirk

All Up in Your Ears (Jonathan Farmer, Gabrielle Calvocoressi, francine j. Harris and Kaveh Akbar)

Poets House

Sarah Miller Freehauf

Kaveh writing about his poem “Heritage” on Poetry Society

Transcription of the final voice message of Reyhaneh Jabbari

Kenneth Goldsmith

Vanessa Place

Eula Biss talking about opportunity hoarding on the podcast The Longest Shortest Time

Sandra Bland