My guest is Ben Mandel. Ben is a partner at Capital Appreciation Strategies. He's also a 35 year finance and real estate professional. And in just a minute, we're going to speak with Ben about an alternative tax deferral process to the 1031 exchange known as the Qualified Intermediary Monetized Installment Sale. But first, a quick reminder, if you like the show, CREPN Radio, please let us know.  You can like, share, or subscribe. And as always, if you leave a comment, we would love to hear from you, our listener. Also if you'd like to see how handsome our guests are, be sure to check out our YouTube channel and you can find us on youtube ad commercial real estate pro network. With that I want to welcome my guest today Ben, welcome to CREPN Radio.