# 130: BILL HASLAM cuts through divisive politics and rises above as a faith-filled leader

For a man who saw his public service as a calling motivated by his faith, former TN Governor Bill Haslam balanced the role of leadership for two terms. Could the recipe for his success be humility as he defines it? Not thinking less of yourself, but thinking of yourself less. He and 9-time Emmy winner David Sams also discuss his new book, "Faithful Presence: The Promise and the Peril of Faith in the Public Square" plus the importance of humility, compromise, and embracing life in politics as a set-apart Christian.