Episode 50: Recognizing all Kinds of Labor in Open Source Ecosystems with Amanda, Katie, and John
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Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have three amazing guests with us, Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, and John Meluso. Amanda is a Developer Relations Engineer and researcher at Google at the Open Source Programs Office, Katie is a Developer Relations Engineer at Google, and John is the OCEAN Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Vermont. They are with us to talk about Project OCEAN (Open-Source Complex Ecosystems And Networks), how it came to be, where it is now, and what they hope to accomplish going forward. We also learn more about what they see as an open source ecosystem, and they go in depth about contributions and taxonomy. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:03:44] John, Amanda, and Katie tell us their backgrounds and how they got involved in open source.
[00:07:23] We learn more about OCEAN, how it came to be, and where it’s at now.
[00:11:25] Amanda and John explain a bit more about ecosystems.
[00:15:52] Georg wonders what they have realized early on or over time that they want to make sure everyone who looks at open source takes away from their work.
[00:19:59] Amanda brings up a question to the panelists concerning the idea of atomic information around software projects and balancing how much do they keep with a repo versus how do you allow for information to be distributed in many places that many people work, but it doesn’t get lost and you don’t lose somebody’s attribution for the work they do.
[00:28:58] Georg brings up the Types of Contributions metrics link CHAOSS uses that helps show how people can contribute to open source, and Katie shares her thoughts on it.
[00:32:13] Sophie talks about “Which contributions count? Analysis of attribution in open source” report and what this research explores. John explains how they balance things by varying the kinds of methodologies they use.
[00:38:49] Find out where you can follow Amanda, Katie, and John online.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:39:45] Georg’s pick is LifeTime wellness and fitness center.
[00:40:31] Matt’s pick is places to visit in Colorado: Rocky Mtn. National Park, Great Sand Dunes, and Gunnison National Park.
[00:41:08] Sophia’s pick is emergent property.
[00:41:57] Amanda’s pick is trading Vermont Golden Dome books with her oldest child.
[00:43:10] Katie’s pick is the book, CPython Internals by Anthony Shaw.
[00:44:03] John’s pick is the book, Data Feminism by Catherine D’Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein.
Request from our Guests:
Open Source Folks: Take (and share!) this anonymous survey about receiving credit for tasks in open source! Conducted by researchers at the University of Vermont in partnership with Google Open Source.
[https://qualtrics.uvm.edu/jfe/form/SV_1zUs19oVcZJ0SPA](https://qualtrics.uvm.edu/jfe/form/SV_1zUs19oVcZJ0SPA)
Panelists:
Georg Link
Sophia Vargas
Matt Germonprez
Guests:
Amanda Casari
Katie McLaughlin
John Meluso
Sponsor:
SustainOSS (https://sustainoss.org/)
Links:
CHAOSS (https://chaoss.community/)
CHAOSS Project Twitter (https://twitter.com/chaossproj?lang=en)
CHAOSScast Podcast (https://podcast.chaoss.community/)
[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])
Project OCEAN (https://vermontcomplexsystems.org/partner/OCEAN/)
Amanda Casari Twitter (https://twitter.com/amcasari?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
Open Source Stories-Amanda Casari Website (https://www.opensourcestories.org/)
Amanda Casari Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/amcasari/)
Katie McLaughlin Twitter (https://twitter.com/glasnt)
Katie McLaughlin Website (https://glasnt.com/)
John Meluso Twitter (https://twitter.com/johnmeluso)
John Meluso Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmeluso/)
John Meluso, PhD Website (https://www.johnmeluso.com/)
John Meluso Email (mailto:[email protected])
ACROSS Taxonomy-GitHub (https://github.com/google/across)
CHAOSS Types of Contributions metrics (https://chaoss.community/metric-types-of-contributions/)
Which contributions count? Analysis of attribution in open source-Jean-Gabriel Young, Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, Milo Z. Trujillo, Laurent Hébert-Dufresne, James P. Bagrow (https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.11007)
Open source ecosystems need equitable credit across contributions-Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, Milo Z. Trujillo, Jean-Gabriel young, James P. Bagrow, & Laurent Hébert-Dufresne (https://www.nature.com/articles/s43588-020-00011-w)
Nadia Eghbal Website (https://nadiaeghbal.com/)
Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure by Nadia Eghbal (https://www.fordfoundation.org/work/learning/research-reports/roads-and-bridges-the-unseen-labor-behind-our-digital-infrastructure/)
Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal (https://www.amazon.com/Working-Public-Making-Maintenance-Software/dp/0578675862)
A Place to Hang Your Hat- Leslie Hawthorn’s Hat Rack blog post (https://hawthornlandings.org/2015/02/13/a-place-to-hang-your-hat/)
Octohatrack-GitHub (https://github.com/LABHR/octohatrack)
A tool for tracking non-code GitHub contributions-Katie McLaughlin (https://opensource.com/life/15/10/octohat-github-non-code-contribution-tracker)
Recognize All Contributors (https://allcontributors.org/)
CHAOSScast Podcast- Episode 39: Leaderboards and Metrics at Drupal.org with Matthew Tift and Tim Lehnen (https://podcast.chaoss.community/39)
LifeTime (https://www.lifetime.life/)
Rocky Mountain National Park (https://www.nps.gov/romo/index.htm)
Great Sand Dunes (https://www.nps.gov/grsa/index.htm)
Black Canyon Of The Gunnison (https://www.nps.gov/blca/index.htm)
What Are Emergent Properties? (https://sciencing.com/emergent-properties-8232868.html)
Vermont Golden Dome Books (https://libraries.vermont.gov/services/children_and_teens/book_awards/vtgdba)
CPython Internals by Andrew Shaw (https://realpython.com/products/cpython-internals-book/)
Data Feminism by Catherine D’Ignazio (https://www.amazon.com/Feminism-Strong-Ideas-Catherine-DIgnazio/dp/0262044005/) Special Guests: Amanda Casari, John Meluso, and Katie McLaughlin.
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have three amazing guests with us, Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, and John Meluso. Amanda is a Developer Relations Engineer and researcher at Google at the Open Source Programs Office, Katie is a Developer Relations Engineer at Google, and John is the OCEAN Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Vermont. They are with us to talk about Project OCEAN (Open-Source Complex Ecosystems And Networks), how it came to be, where it is now, and what they hope to accomplish going forward. We also learn more about what they see as an open source ecosystem, and they go in depth about contributions and taxonomy. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:03:44] John, Amanda, and Katie tell us their backgrounds and how they got involved in open source.
[00:07:23] We learn more about OCEAN, how it came to be, and where it’s at now.
[00:11:25] Amanda and John explain a bit more about ecosystems.
[00:15:52] Georg wonders what they have realized early on or over time that they want to make sure everyone who looks at open source takes away from their work.
[00:19:59] Amanda brings up a question to the panelists concerning the idea of atomic information around software projects and balancing how much do they keep with a repo versus how do you allow for information to be distributed in many places that many people work, but it doesn’t get lost and you don’t lose somebody’s attribution for the work they do.
[00:28:58] Georg brings up the Types of Contributions metrics link CHAOSS uses that helps show how people can contribute to open source, and Katie shares her thoughts on it.
[00:32:13] Sophie talks about “Which contributions count? Analysis of attribution in open source” report and what this research explores. John explains how they balance things by varying the kinds of methodologies they use.
[00:38:49] Find out where you can follow Amanda, Katie, and John online.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:39:45] Georg’s pick is LifeTime wellness and fitness center.
[00:40:31] Matt’s pick is places to visit in Colorado: Rocky Mtn. National Park, Great Sand Dunes, and Gunnison National Park.
[00:41:08] Sophia’s pick is emergent property.
[00:41:57] Amanda’s pick is trading Vermont Golden Dome books with her oldest child.
[00:43:10] Katie’s pick is the book, CPython Internals by Anthony Shaw.
[00:44:03] John’s pick is the book, Data Feminism by Catherine D’Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein.
Request from our Guests:
Open Source Folks: Take (and share!) this anonymous survey about receiving credit for tasks in open source! Conducted by researchers at the University of Vermont in partnership with Google Open Source.
[https://qualtrics.uvm.edu/jfe/form/SV_1zUs19oVcZJ0SPA](https://qualtrics.uvm.edu/jfe/form/SV_1zUs19oVcZJ0SPA)
Panelists:
Georg Link
Sophia Vargas
Matt Germonprez
Guests:
Amanda Casari
Katie McLaughlin
John Meluso
Sponsor:
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
[email protected]
Project OCEAN
Amanda Casari Twitter
Open Source Stories-Amanda Casari Website
Amanda Casari Linkedin
Katie McLaughlin Twitter
Katie McLaughlin Website
John Meluso Twitter
John Meluso Linkedin
John Meluso, PhD Website
John Meluso Email
ACROSS Taxonomy-GitHub
CHAOSS Types of Contributions metrics
Which contributions count? Analysis of attribution in open source-Jean-Gabriel Young, Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, Milo Z. Trujillo, Laurent Hébert-Dufresne, James P. Bagrow
Open source ecosystems need equitable credit across contributions-Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, Milo Z. Trujillo, Jean-Gabriel young, James P. Bagrow, & Laurent Hébert-Dufresne
Nadia Eghbal Website
Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure by Nadia Eghbal
Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal
A Place to Hang Your Hat- Leslie Hawthorn’s Hat Rack blog post
Octohatrack-GitHub
A tool for tracking non-code GitHub contributions-Katie McLaughlin
Recognize All Contributors
CHAOSScast Podcast- Episode 39: Leaderboards and Metrics at Drupal.org with Matthew Tift and Tim Lehnen
LifeTime
Rocky Mountain National Park
Great Sand Dunes
Black Canyon Of The Gunnison
What Are Emergent Properties?
Vermont Golden Dome Books
CPython Internals by Andrew Shaw
Data Feminism by Catherine D’Ignazio
Special Guests: Amanda Casari, John Meluso, and Katie McLaughlin.