Do you need a charismatic leader to make change in the world? Arnie Graf's life's work shows the answer is 'no.' He's spent 45 years working with people like you and me to build movements that collectively lead change. This episode talks about how he got there and what he learnt. He shares how he was trained by Saul Alinsky the grandfather of community organising, and he reflects on his book Lessons Learned.

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