Carry The Fire Podcast
88 episodes - English - Latest episode: over 3 years ago - ★★★★★ - 331 ratingsMy name is Dustin Kensrue and I’ve always been fascinated by the REALLY BIG questions. I’ve spent my life as a songwriter (in Thrice and on my own) wrestling through those big questions, but now I’m starting a new phase of that exploration. I’d love for you to join me on the Carry The Fire podcast, where we dig deep into those big questions through the lens of the good, the true, and the beautiful as we speak with people from a wide variety of backgrounds, beliefs, and professions; together we will all glimpse the world anew through their unique perspectives. Carry the fire with us today!
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Carry the Fire Podcast - Season 1 Wrap Up
January 21, 2021 00:02 - 17 minutes - 20.2 MBHey friends, thank you for all the support for the past 96 episodes, Patreon included, we've created this year. Andy Lara and I take a moment to discuss the future with a new Thrice album being produced, and we chat a bit about some of the highlights over the past year. Cheers. SHOW LINKS Carry the Fire Podcast Website Instagram Twitter Produced by Andy Lara at www.andylikeswords.com
Andy Siara
January 12, 2021 07:51 - 1 hour - 73.9 MBToday on the pod we are joined by Andy Siara. Andy is a screenwriter whose first movie Palm Springs just came out this year on HULU. It stars Andy Samberg and it is fantastic. In our conversation we discuss the relationship of meaning to mortality, we talk about the leaps of faith that are life and love, and Andy shares how Jurassic Park changed his life as a child and why there are dinosaurs in his new movie. Let’s dive in, but first SPOILER ALERT, before listening to this conversation you...
Pete Enns
December 21, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 88.6 MBToday we are joined by Dr. Pete Enns. Pete is an author and a professor of Biblical Studies. In our conversation we talk about the importance of changing your mind, we discuss inerrancy and ideology, and Pete shares some of his thoughts on the Christmas story as it relates to his evolving and dynamic understanding of what the scriptures really are. FEATURED LINKS Pete Ennes Official The Bible for Normal People Pete on Twitter SHOW LINKS Carry the Fire Podcast Website Instagram Twit...
Matt Pryor
December 14, 2020 08:04 - 1 hour - 102 MBToday we are joined by friend, the singer and songwriter Matt Pryor of The Get Up Kids. In our casual and meandering conversation we talk about kickball and community in Matt’s hometown of Lawrence Kansas, we discuss The Good Place and how humans think about mortality and immortality, and Matt tells us what writing over 1200 songs for other people has meant for his songwriting skills. You’ll also hear about the most money that Matt ever won rolling dice. Let’s dive in. FEATURED LINKS The ...
Ali Krieger
December 07, 2020 08:00 - 55 minutes - 64 MBToday we are joined by professional soccer player Ali Krieger. Ali has been an integral part of the Women’s US national soccer team over the past few years winning two world cups, and also plays for the Orlando Pride. In our conversation we discuss advances in LGBTQ rights and Women’s rights and the responsibility she feels to use her voice for good, we talk about the difficulty of not deriving your identity completely from things that you pour yourself into, and Ali shares what it’s like t...
*BONUS* - Favorite Comedy Movie Breakdown with Dustin Nickerson
December 02, 2020 21:55 - 1 hour - 90.4 MBEnjoy this free Patron style episode. If you would like to see the video of this episode, become a Patreon today for as little as $5/mo! Sign Up Here. Dustin Nickerson returns to chat about some of our Top Comedy Movies. We are excited to share that Dustin has a new comedy special called, Overwhelmed. You can rent/purchase on Amazon or also on Gumroad if you'd prefer not to purchase on Amazon. Enjoy the laughs, this was a fun time. Head over to Dustin's Website for more about his comedy a...
D.L. Mayfield
November 30, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 66.1 MBToday on the pod we are joined by the writer D.L. Mayfield. In our conversation we talk about the role of the imagination in transforming the world, we discuss the way that hearing from diverse perspectives transforms your imagination, and we talk about the way that ideologies, or Capitol-T truths, inoculate us against reality, and a whole lot more. FEATURED LINKS D.L. Mayfield Official D.L. on Twitter The Myth of the American Dream D.L. Mayfield Podcast SHOW LINKS Carry the Fire Podc...
Dr. Rabbi Bradley Artson
November 23, 2020 21:22 - 55 minutes - 63 MBToday we are joined by Dr. Rabbi Brad Artson. Rabbi Artson is a speaker, educator, and philosopher, and is the Vice President of the American Jewish University in Los Angeles. We discuss octopi and butterflies, he explains how he invented process theology on his own only to find out that he’d been beaten to the punch, and he shares some hot takes on Hanukkah that you probably haven’t heard before. FEATURED LINKS Rabbi Bradley Artson Facebook Rabbi Artson on Twitter SHOW LINKS Carry the ...
BONUS - Songs of R/EVOLUTION Playlist Breakdown with Chris Conley
November 16, 2020 14:50 - 48 minutes - 55.1 MBEnjoy this BONUS episode where Chris and I break down our collab playlist, Songs of R/EVOLUTION available on Spotify. This is a new Patreon format and. wanted to kick it off with a free episode for the public as well. Enjoy. Join Patreon now to receive these episodes in the future! www.patreon.com/carrythefirepod
Chris Conley
November 16, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 74 MBToday we are joined by my friend Chris Conley. Chris is the singer and songwriter of the band Saves the Day, and has been making great music under that name for nearly a quarter-century at this point. Chris shares about how he persists in creation and shuts out both the naysayers and the expectations of his fans, we talk about the nostalgia as it relates to Chris’s newest music and reissues of classic records, and what Chris finds helpful in the Buddhist understanding that life is suffering...
Dara Molloy
November 09, 2020 18:09 - 1 hour - 78.5 MBToday on the podcast we are joined by Dara Molloy. Dara is a Celtic priest, a writer, and a guide for pilgrims on the Aran Islands where he lives off the coast of Ireland. In our conversation, we talk about some of the negative consequences of institutions and globalization, Dara shares what sets apart the Celtic tradition from the Roman Catholic one he was a part of previously, and he shares about the importance of experience in his own life. If you aren’t yet a patron of the show, check ...
Dr. Elaine Howard Ecklund
November 02, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 78.8 MBToday on the pod we are joined by Elaine Howard Ecklund. Dr. Ecklund is a professor of sociology at Rice University where she founded the Religion and Public Life Foundation. She spends much of her time researching the relationship of science and faith as they relate to social groups, and this is also the focus of her new book which we will discuss throughout the episode. We talk about the importance of both racial and religious representation in the scientific fields, we explore the reason...
Amanda McLoughlin
October 26, 2020 08:00 - 49 minutes - 56.4 MBToday we are joined by Amanda McLoughlin. Amanda is the host of multiple podcasts and runs a podcast collective and production studio called Multitude. In this very story focused Halloween episode we explore the way that myths and scary stories are shaped by our environment and in turn shape our experience, we talk about the importance of listening to other people’s stories and experiences, and we talk a bit about collaborative storytelling and what’s so great about it. Also if you’re a ...
Brian McTernan
October 19, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 99.8 MBToday on the pod we are joined by Brian McTernan! Brian is a music producer and musician who has been instrumental in the making of a slew of amazing records, including two of my band Thrice’s earlier albums. We’ve been friends ever since and it was a blast getting to reminisce with him as well as talking to him about his new band Be Well, and their new album. In our conversation, as on the new record, Brian opens up about struggling silently for years with depression, we talk about the uni...
Sam Rocha
October 12, 2020 08:09 - 1 hour - 89.6 MBToday we are joined by Sam Rocha. Sam is a professor of Philosophy of Education, a writer, an avid guitar player, and consequently, will end up making some wonderful yet super nerdy musician analogies along the way today. Our conversation centers often around Rocha’s lifelong Catholicism and I enjoyed hearing about the deep ways that his tradition has shaped him and his views. We explore the way beauty has shaped his own faith journey, we discuss Catholic critiques of atomistic individualis...
Preeti Chhibber
October 05, 2020 17:09 - 52 minutes - 60.1 MBToday we are joined by Preeti Chhibber. Preeti is a Young Adult (YA) author, speaker, and freelance writer, and co-hosts two podcasts as well. Fair warning, we definitely go to some nerdy places today but I promise there’ll be a lot in there for everyone. We talk about her new Yoda picture book and the connections between the force and eastern spirituality, we talk about representation both in modern fiction and in The Hindu pantheon, and we explore the way that representation affects not o...
Jared Byas
September 28, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 70.2 MBToday we are joined by Jared Byas. Jared is the cohost of the podcast The Bible for Normal People and is a former teaching pastor and professor of philosophy and biblical studies. On the show we talk about Jared’s new book, Love Matters More, digging into the different ways the concept of truth is often misunderstood and misapplied, and Jared introduces me to a helpful new word and concept that will help us really understand how differently we all experience reality. FEATURED LINKS Love M...
Danny Bowien
September 21, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 121 MBToday we are joined by Chef Danny Bowien. Danny is best known for his restaurant Mission Chinese and is known throughout the food industry as a very talented and innovative chef. Danny ends up kind of interviewing me for a decent portion of this episode because he’s just curious and friendly like that. We talk about quite a bit about the similarities and differences of the way creativity and expectations function in both the music and food industries, we discuss cooking at home and I get a ...
Jeremy Courtney
September 14, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 74.7 MBToday on the pod we are joined by Jeremy Courtney. Jeremy is the founder and CEO of Preemptive Love, a global organization providing relief, jobs, and community to end war. For the past 15 years, Jeremy has served families on the frontlines of the world’s biggest crises, and he lives with his family in Iraq. In our conversation Jeremy expounds on the ways that we don’t value all lives equally, we explore connections between ISIS and white nationalism and the faiths that underlie and animate...
Jessica Dore
September 09, 2020 20:33 - 1 hour - 79.2 MBHey everyone! Today we are joined by Jessica Dore. Jessica uses Tarot through a psychological/spiritual lens to help people better understand themselves and their connections to the world around them. We talk about the connections between therapy, self-care, and Tarot, we talk about the way Tarot can help us see beyond all the ways that we get stuck in binary thinking and can reawaken our mythic imagination, and Jessica even does a brief reading for me at the end of the episode. Let’s dive ...
Jessica Dobson
August 31, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 90.2 MBToday we are joined on the pod by the very gifted songwriter, singer and guitar extraordinaire, Jessica Dobson. Jessica has played guitar on the road with the likes of Beck, The Shins, and The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, but now puts most of her musical efforts into her band Deep Sea Diver. In our conversation, We talk about the upcoming Deep Sea Diver release and if being known as a band’s band is a good or bad thing, Jessica shares about working with and befriending her unhoused neighbors, and we t...
Dr. Omid Safi
August 24, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 85.5 MBToday on Carry the Fire Podcast we are joined by Dr. Omid Safi. Omid is a Professor of Islamic Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He specializes in contemporary Islamic thought and classical Islam, including mystical Persian poetry, especially the poet Rumi, which he explores in his book Radical Love and also now in his online course which we’ll talk about a bit later. I spent a lot of time preparing for this one and then barely asked any of the questions I prepared...
Shadlie Kensrue
August 17, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 105 MBToday on the podcast we are joined by none other than the fierce and beautiful and lovely Shadlie Kensrue, my wife. Shadlie is a former Level 1 Trauma ICU Nurse and is currently the school nurse for a large high school. In our conversation Shadlie talks a bit about the current pandemic and what we can all be doing to get us out of this sooner, she shares somewhat she’s seen and learned in her various nursing roles included her thoughts on how we view death and how we empathize with those di...
Jon Foreman
August 10, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 83.2 MBToday we are joined by Jon Foreman. Jon is the singer of the band Switchfoot, he makes amazing music on his own, and with other friends. He is simultaneously one of the most charismatic frontmen out there and also one of the nicest humans you'll ever meet. In our conversation, I talked to Jon a bit about what performing has looked like for him historically and the way that it connects with his inner life, we discuss the reasons that Jon sings about death so often, and Jon references the wor...
David Dark
August 03, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 92.4 MBToday on the Pod we are joined by David Dark. David is an author, professor, and probably my very favorite person on Twitter, as he pokes and prods curiously, thoughtfully, and earnestly into our assumptions and hypocrisies. In our conversation, we talk about Marvel and myth, beloved community, robot soft exorcisms, and much more. Including David's idea that “Religion is politics, is what we do, and how we speak in the way that we think about other human beings.”. FEATURED LINKS David Dar...
Eric Silver
July 27, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 83.3 MBToday on the podcast we are joined by Eric Silver. Eric is one of the hosts of my very favorite podcasts, Join the Party. Join the Party is a collaborative storytelling podcast using the framework and mechanics of the popular game, Dungeons & Dragons. Eric the “DM” or Dungeon Master, of the Join the Party Game. We’ll learn more about what that means as we go. Some of you might be thinking that maybe you’ll skip this one and that D&D is not for you. But, if you stick around I think you’ll be...
Chuck Wendig
July 20, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 71.8 MBToday on the pod we are joined by Chuck Wendig. Chuck is an author and storyteller in a variety of mediums. He is most well known through his novels, the most recent of which is titled Wanderers and which I read recently and really enjoyed. In our conversation, we talk about the way that fiction interacts with the good, the true, and the beautiful including the relationship of canon to both fiction and religion, the way that fiction can help us see things that reality has obscured, and the ...
William Matthews
July 13, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 152 MBHey everyone! Today on the pod we are joined by William Matthews. William is a recording artist, a host of the popular podcast The Liturgists, and an advocate for social change fighting against racism, voter suppression, climate change, and more. In our conversation we go deep into the good, true, and beautiful of Star Trek and I try to get William to sell me on why I should be a Trekkie, we discuss philosopher Rene Girard’s theories of mimetic desire and scapegoating, and William explains ...
Thomas Jay Oord
July 06, 2020 13:14 - 1 hour - 132 MBToday on Carry the Fire we are joined by Thomas Jay Oord. Tom is a philosopher, a theologian, author, and all-around good dude. In our conversation, Tom explains the ins-and-outs of Open and Relational theology, and he explains why it might be good news if God has a different kind of agency or power than the standard omnipotence many of us have been told is the only game in town. FEATURED LINKS Thomas Jay Oord Official Tom on Twitter Center for Open & Relational Theology SHOW LINKS Ca...
Moiya McTier
June 29, 2020 16:26 - 51 minutes - 93.6 MBToday we are joined by Moiya McTier. Moiya is an astrophysicist and folklorist with a passion for worldbuilding. We talk about her work studying exoplanets and galactic dynamics, we discuss why we can trust the scientific process precisely because it makes mistakes and owns them, and Moiya makes some helpful connections and analogies relating global and galactic systems to systems of oppression. Lets’ dive in. FEATURED LINKS Moiya McTier Official Moiya on Twitter SHOW LINKS Carry the F...
Matthew Caws
June 22, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 167 MBToday on the pod we are joined by Matthew Caws, singer and songwriter of one of my very favorite band, Nada Surf. Matthew, as you'll hear, is an exceedingly kind and thoughtful soul and I had such a great time talking. We discuss the connection between philosophy and pop music, Matthew explains why he writes about love so much and what kinds of love he is singing about, we hear his early reflections on wonder and growing up in Manhattan and so much more. Like what you hear? Get exclusive e...
Mike Morrell
June 17, 2020 05:48 - 1 hour - 116 MBToday on the podcast we are joined by Mike Morrell. Mike is a man who wears a lot of metaphorical hats writing, blogging, podcasting, running websites, hosting conferences, sitting on Boards of organizations, and facilitating personal growth for others in a variety of ways. In our conversation, we touch on a variety of topics including anarcho-primitivism, transhumanism, permaculture, aliens, and more. Like what you hear? Get exclusive episodes and limited perks by supporting the show on ...
Brett Gurewitz
June 08, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 125 MBToday we are joined by Brett Gurewitz, guitarist and one of the main songwriters in the seminal punk band, Bad Religion. Brett also owns and operates the independent and highly successful and influential music label, Epitaph Records. On the show today we talk about Brett’s love for science & Science fiction. We discuss the promises of punk rock and how it’s failed or delivered on its promises. Brett shares about how own spiritual practice. And we discuss throughout on how this all intersect...
Valerie Forstman
May 25, 2020 13:43 - 1 hour - 157 MBToday on the pod we are joined by Valerie Forstman. Valerie is an associate master Zen teacher in the Sanbo Kyodan tradition, and also has a Ph.D in Hebrew Biblical Interpretation. In our conversation she tells the story of her introduction to Zen practice, she talks about the way her practice has impacted her life and specifically how it is impacting the way she walks through these strange times of the social distancing and canceled plans, and she shares about some of the ways that Zen gav...
Jeremiah Stone and Fabian von Hauske
May 18, 2020 07:33 - 1 hour - 154 MBToday we are joined by the chefs and restauranteurs, Jeremiah Stone and Fabian von Hauske. The duo owns Contra and Wildair, two fantastic restaurants in Manhattan. They also opened a curated natural wine shop called Peoples. We’ve become friends over the past view years and have made me some of the very best food I have ever eaten. In our conversation, we talk about the way people inspire both their dishes and the way they design their restaurants, we hear about their foodie hero origin sto...
Kevin Devine
May 11, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 174 MBToday on the pod we are joined by the one and only Kevin Devine. Kevin is a very talented singer and songwriter and one of my favorite people I’ve met in the 20 or so years I’ve been playing music for a living. We talk about the relationship of true strength to vulnerability, Kevin shares a bit about his approach to songwriting, and I force Kevin to speculate a bit on why he’s such a nice fellow. It was so great to catch up and pick Kevin’s brain a bit and I’m sure you’ll all enjoy the conv...
Tuhina Verma Rasche
May 04, 2020 09:00 - 57 minutes - 104 MBToday on the show we are joined by Tuhina Verma Rasche. Tuhina is a second-generation Indian-American raised in a devout Hindu household, and in our discussion, she unpacks some of her journey from that background to her present-day gig as a Lutheran minister. In our conversation, she shares about how she finds grounding while inhabiting liminal spaces, and we end our conversation by talking about the beauty of donuts and their connection to her father’s passing. Like what you hear? Get ex...
José Olivarez
April 27, 2020 09:00 - 59 minutes - 110 MBToday we are joined by José Olivarez. José is an award-winning poet and is also an educator, developing writing courses and poetry workshops. He recently released his debut book of poetry Citizen Illegal, which is fantastic and which pulls the reader into the liminal and hyphenated spaces José has inhabited growing up in Chicago as the son Mexican immigrants to the US. In our conversation we talk about the power of poetry both in and out of formal poems, we discuss poetry’s relation to the ...
Kaitlin B. Curtice
April 20, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 112 MBToday on the pod we are joined by Kaitlin B. Curtice. Kaitlin is an author, speaker, storyteller, and poet. She has a new book coming out soon which is titled Native: Identity, Belonging, and Rediscovering God. Among other things, in our conversation we compare ideas about ecology, community and the divine through the lens of both her Christian upbringing and her Native Potawatomi heritage, we discuss the nuance and care needed to avoid cultural appropriation and talk a bit about the recent ...
Mike McHargue
April 13, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 145 MBToday we are joined by Mike McHargue, aka Science Mike. Mike is an author, speaker, podcaster and public educator who uses empathy and deep scientific insights to navigate the most difficult parts of the human experience. He worked for years as a founding member of The Liturgists and continues to host his own podcast called Ask Science Mike. His second book You Are A Miracle (And a Pain in the Ass) will be released April 28th! Among other things, in our conversation today we discuss the wa...
Makoto Fujimura
April 06, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 136 MBToday on the podcast we are joined by Makoto Fujimura. Makoto is an internationally renowned painter, arts advocate, writer, and speaker. In our conversation, we discuss the concept of Slow Art, Makoto shares about the confluence of Japanese and Western culture in his own art and also about the importance of artists in times of crisis. Makoto also shares about the ways that his Christian faith prompts him to lead in efforts to engage in what he calls Culture Care instead of the Culture Wars ...
Makoto Fujimara
April 06, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 136 MBToday on the podcast we are joined by Makoto Fujimura. Makoto is an internationally renowned painter, arts advocate, writer, and speaker. In our conversation, we discuss the concept of Slow Art, Makoto shares about the confluence of Japanese and Western culture in his own art and also about the importance of artists in times of crisis. Makoto also shares about the ways that his Christian faith prompts him to lead in efforts to engage in what he calls Culture Care instead of the Culture Wars ...
Reza Aslan
March 30, 2020 09:00 - 58 minutes - 107 MBToday on the pod we are joined by REZA ASLAN. Reza is an internationally renowned writer, commentator, professor, television producer, and scholar of religions. In our conversation, we discuss the ubiquity of religious thinking across time and culture and about how all religion IS a language of sorts. Reza shares about why he has found the framework of Islam most helpful in his own spiritual practice, he gives us a bit of a peek into an upcoming TV project he is involved with that aims to d...
Dan Koch
March 23, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 160 MBHey everyone. Today on the pod we have Dan Koch. You’ll remember Dan if you’ve listened to the intro episode of Carry the Fire. Dan is a former host of the Depolarize! podcast and the current host of the amazing podcast You Have Permission where he seeks to give people permission to seek answers to good questions that may have been out of bounds in their formative faith communities. Our conversation was wide-ranging and meandering in the best way. We talk about certain similarities in any m...
Jesse Bryan
March 16, 2020 11:00 - 1 hour - 148 MBToday we are joined on the pod by my long time friend, Jesse Bryan. Jesse is very smart, well and widely read, a deeply thoughtful person, and not surprisingly one of my very favorite people to talk to. Jesse is the founder and executive creative director of Belief Agency, an award-winning advertising company based in Seattle. As you’ll hear, instead of lying to consumers, they do this really weird thing where they focus on helping their clients tell the truth. You’ll get an interesting loo...
Cindy Wang Brandt
March 09, 2020 09:00 - 59 minutes - 109 MBToday on Carry the Fire Podcast we have Cindy Wang Brandt. Cindy is an author, a podcaster, and a public speaker. She’s written a book, Parenting Forward: How to Raise a Children with Justice, Mercy, and Kindness, and has a podcast by the same name. A former conservative Christian missionary, Cindy underwent a phase shift and now speaks and writes about how that has impacted her life and how it impacts the often overwhelming and bewildering tasks of raising children. In our conversation, Ci...
John Cobb Jr.
March 02, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 153 MBToday on Carry the Fire Podcast we are joined by the esteemed professor John Cobb Jr. Dr. Cobb is an American theologian, philosopher, and environmentalist. Cobb is often regarded as the preeminent scholar in the field of process philosophy and process theology. He is also the author of over 30 books and he just celebrated his 95th birthday. He was the first theologian elected to the prestigious American Academy of Arts and Sciences for his interdisciplinary work in ecology, economics, and b...
Jared Yates Sexton
February 24, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 138 MBToday on Carry the Fire Podcast we have Jared Yates Sexton. Jared is a writer and political analyst. He’s the author of multiple books and also the associate professor of creative writing at Georgia Southern University. In our conversation we get into why writing is good for you, we explore the myth of American exceptionalism, we discuss toxic masculinity and its links to problems at the national level, and more. FEATURED LINKS Jared Yates Sexton Official Jared Yates Sexton Twitter The ...
Aaron Weiss
February 17, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 163 MBToday on the podcast we have the lovely and enigmatic Aaron Weiss, singer and lyricist for the fantastic band, mewithoutYou. Who happens to be out of the road currently with my band Thrice as we tour through the end of February in celebration of the 15 year anniversary of our album, Vheissu. I had a blast sitting down and having this conversation with Aaron who, as you’ll see, is never afraid to dive into the deep questions. A bit of a theme emerged in the course of our conversation as we d...
Chris Heuertz
February 10, 2020 11:00 - 52 minutes - 95.3 MBToday on Carry the Fire we have Chris Heuertz. Chris is an author, speaker, Enneagram Coach, non-profit consultant, and anti-human trafficking activist. We talk about why contemplative work is critical if you’re trying to do good work in the world. We discuss why Chris finds the Enneagram to be such a helpful tool for self-reflection and growth, and Chris shares ways that he strives to seek beauty in every moment. Like what you hear? Get exclusive episodes and limited perks by supporting ...