How are our societal economic models divorced from our finite natural resource base, and how can we best ‘build back better’ in 2021? Today, Jennifer Holmgren talks with Hunter Lovins, a champion of sustainable development from Afghanistan to New Zealand over the past 35 years. An Executive Committee member of the Club of Rome, Time Magazine has recognized Hunter as a Millennium Hero for the Planet. Tune in now. The cliffhanger is for Maria Mendiluce.