Business Movers
204 episodes - English - Latest episode: 22 days ago - ★★★★★ - 1.3K ratingsBehind every successful business is a story. It starts with a vision and a leap of faith. Along the way, leaders make bold decisions, ride booms and busts, and sometimes, they reach new heights. From Wondery, the makers of the hit series Business Wars, and Lindsay Graham, the host of American History Tellers and American Scandal, comes a weekly podcast that brings you the true stories of the brilliant but all-too-human businesspeople who risked it all. From Walt Disney’s creation of a theme park in Orlando, to the colossal failure of New Coke, Business Movers will explore the triumphs, failures and ideas that transformed our lives.
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Episodes
Henry Ford’s Paradise Lost | Birth Pains | 2
March 28, 2024 07:01 - 35 minutes - 32.4 MBA series of luckless managers try their best to fulfill Henry Ford’s ambitions for his Brazilian rubber plantation, but deadly diseases and an outbreak of violence in Fordlandia threaten to undo what little has been achieved so far. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Henry Ford’s Paradise Lost | A Man and His Machine | 1
March 21, 2024 07:01 - 34 minutes - 31.6 MBIndustrialist Henry Ford looks for a new way to supply his factories with rubber without having to pay the prices dictated by the global market. But his decision to build a rubber plantation deep in the Amazon Rainforest comes with a great many complications. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Pepsi: Doing Good Business | Dr. Hank Boyd on Race in Marketing and The Legacy of Pepsi's Special Markets Team | 5
March 14, 2024 07:01 - 43 minutes - 39.7 MBMarketing expert Professor Hank Boyd discusses the wider significance of the Pepsi special markets team and its work, the progress in corporate racial equality in the years since and the challenges that still remain. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Listen Now: Alternate Routes with Trey Wingo and Kevin Frazier
March 12, 2024 08:00 - 4 minutes - 4.49 MBWhat if the NBA never vetoed the Chris Paul trade to the Lakers? What if the Seahawks ran the ball on the one yard line in the Super Bowl? Could a coin flip have landed Magic in Chicago, Michael in LA and made Charles Barkley the first Black President? Wait, what?!! Questions like these have broken the brains of sports fans since the beginning of time. Enter Wondery’s newest sports show, Alternate Routes, a weekly leap into the sports multiverse where former SportsCenter anchors...
Pepsi: Doing Good Business | Forging the Future | 4
March 07, 2024 08:01 - 35 minutes - 32.2 MBPepsi undergoes a massive restructure that leaves the fate of Ed Boyd and the special markets sales team uncertain. Meanwhile, the American Civil Rights Movement picks up steam, resulting in more integrated workplaces but also rising racial tensions that put one leading Pepsi salesman in the firing line. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Listen Now: The Cat in the Hat Cast
March 06, 2024 09:00 - 5 minutes - 5.45 MBHold on tight and prepare to be whisked away on a weekly adventure with Dr. Seuss’s The Cat in the Hat! In a world full of delightful mix-ups and exhilarating mayhem, the mischievous Cat takes the reins and enlightens the ever-cautious Fish on the art of hosting a perfectly poised podcast. Featuring alphabet song sing-a-longs, tremendous tongue-twisters, and wondrous wordplay, you'll be left guessing what surprises The Cat will pull out of his hat next. Listen to new episodes of The...
Pepsi: Doing Good Business | Change for the Machine | 3
February 29, 2024 08:01 - 34 minutes - 31.8 MBPepsi special markets sales manager Ed Boyd is forced to lay off half of his sales team, as changes at the top of the company leave Ed questioning whether his division has any future at all, and a new front opens in the “Cola Wars” with arch-rivals Coca-Cola. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Pepsi: Doing Good Business | Leaders in their Field | 2
February 22, 2024 08:01 - 35 minutes - 32.1 MBDespite limited resources, Ed Boyd builds his special markets sales team at Pepsi and plots a revolutionary ad campaign. But tough times are coming for Pepsi. As the company struggles, Ed risks his job to stand up for his principles. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Pepsi: Doing Good Business | Special Markets | 1
February 15, 2024 08:01 - 36 minutes - 33 MBIn 1940, Pepsi President Walter Mack makes headlines by hiring a team of Black salesmen to target African American customers in a new “special markets” division. The pioneering sales team ventures into the Jim Crow south, where they build Pepsi’s brand loyalty among the Black community, despite the challenges of rampant segregation. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Hatching Penguin | Publishing Expert Dr. Jane Potter on the Challenges Faced by the Modern Publishing Industry | 5
February 08, 2024 08:01 - 38 minutes - 35.4 MBPublishing expert Dr Jane Potter discusses the impact of internet shopping and self-publishing on the book industry, and what modern publishing can learn from the story of Allen Lane and Penguin. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Hatching Penguin | King Penguin | 4
February 01, 2024 08:01 - 36 minutes - 33.1 MBAs Allen Lane begins the last decade of his life, he’s just as determined as ever to dominate all aspects of the publishing industry – but his strong-willed nature sees him fall out with once-trusted allies and leaves Penguin facing an uncertain future. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Hatching Penguin | Penguin's Millions | 3
January 25, 2024 08:01 - 36 minutes - 33.1 MBAs Penguin faces increased competition from new paperback publishers, Allen Lane seeks new ways to keep his books at the top of the best sellers charts – including a risky plan that might put him behind bars. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Hatching Penguin | Penguin at War | 2
January 18, 2024 08:01 - 34 minutes - 31.7 MBAlthough Penguin’s new business model is popular among book buyers, it must expand quickly to become profitable – but one of the three Lane Brothers who co-founded the company will not survive World War Two to see the results. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Hatching Penguin | Paperback Pioneer | 1
January 11, 2024 08:01 - 32 minutes - 30.2 MBTo save the publishing company he inherited from his uncle, British publisher Allen Lane launches a radical new line of paperback books – but finds it’s a tall order to get a resistant industry to embrace the new business. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Colonel Santa Claus | Professor Eric Rath on the Globalization of Fast-Food | 2
January 04, 2024 08:01 - 36 minutes - 33 MBProfessor Eric Rath, author of “Japan’s Cuisines: Food, Place and Identity”, discusses an unlikely-seeming story of globalization: how an American fast-food staple became a Japanese Christmas tradition. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Colonel Santa Claus | How KFC Conquered Japan | 1
December 28, 2023 08:01 - 33 minutes - 30.9 MBYoung businessman Takeshi “Shin” Okawara takes the gamble of a lifetime when he leaves a secure job to become the manager of one of the first KFCs in Japan. The bold step looks to be failing, until Shin has an idea to bring together fried chicken and Christmas. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Making Macy's | Retail Expert Dr Vicki Howard discusses the past and future of the department store in America | 5
December 21, 2023 08:01 - 46 minutes - 42.5 MBHistorian Dr Vicki Howard examines the rise - and fall - of the American department store and discusses what the future may hold for industry giants like Macy’s. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Making Macy's | Marching On | 4
December 14, 2023 08:01 - 35 minutes - 32.7 MBThe end of World War One brings new challenges and opportunities for the Straus brothers and the Macy’s department store. In the exciting era of the Roaring Twenties, the brothers eye expansion beyond Manhattan and begin a holiday tradition which will become a national institution. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Making Macy's | A Change of Course | 3
December 07, 2023 08:01 - 36 minutes - 33.7 MBFollowing the death of Macy’s co-owner Isidor Straus aboard the ocean liner Titanic, a new generation of Straus men take charge of the famous department store. But their plans for the future are disrupted by an unforeseen challenge: the outbreak of World War One. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Making Macy's | A Family Concern | 2
November 30, 2023 08:01 - 36 minutes - 33.3 MBFollowing the deaths of Rowland Macy and his heirs, the Macy’s department store eventually passes into the ownership of the Straus family. Brothers Isidor and Nathan set about revitalizing the store, but Macy’s is soon threatened by a new rival in Manhattan and the Strauses are forced into a dramatic decision. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Making Macy's | If at First You Don't Succeed | 1
November 23, 2023 08:01 - 34 minutes - 31.2 MBAfter a series of failed enterprises in California and Massachusetts, Rowland Macy launches his latest retail store in New York – in the fast-growing metropolis he finds not only success at last, but also a new family to take his legacy forward. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Milton Hershey: The Lord of Chocolate | Author James O’Toole on the Relationship Between Philanthropy and Capitalism | 5
November 16, 2023 08:01 - 39 minutes - 35.8 MBProfessor Emeritus James O’Toole, author of The Enlightened Capitalists, discusses the relationship between capitalism and altruism, and how Milton Hershey is just one example of a business leader who struggled to marry money-making with do-gooding.Professor Emeritus James O’Toole, author of The Enlightened Capitalists, discusses the relationship between capitalism and altruism, and how Milton Hershey is just one example of a business leader who struggled to marry money-making with ...
Milton Hershey: The Lord of Chocolate | The Aftertaste | 4
November 09, 2023 08:01 - 36 minutes - 33.7 MBMilton Hershey’s Utopia is split in two as the chocolate-maker takes on his own striking employees. And as the world changes around the aging businessman, Milton’s legacy is called into question. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Listen Now: The Daily Stoic
November 06, 2023 09:00 - 7 minutes - 6.66 MBFor centuries, all sorts of people—generals and politicians, athletes and coaches, writers and leaders—have looked to the teachings of Stoicism to help guide their lives. Each day, author and speaker Ryan Holiday brings you a new lesson about life, inspired by the thoughts and writings of great Stoic thinkers like Marcus Aurelius and Seneca the Younger, as well as insightful conversations with thought leaders on how they’ve used the practice and values of stoicism in their own lives...
Milton Hershey: The Lord of Chocolate | Notes of Bitterness | 3
November 02, 2023 07:01 - 36 minutes - 33 MBMilton Hershey steers his company and town through a catastrophic bet, the Great Depression, and criticisms from the press. But not even a king in his chocolate city can keep the outside world at bay forever. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Milton Hershey: The Lord of Chocolate | The Chocolate City | 2
October 26, 2023 07:01 - 35 minutes - 32.8 MBAs construction on the Hershey Chocolate Company’s new factory nears completion, Milton and his team work tirelessly to develop a recipe for mass-producing milk chocolate. But success is just a steppingstone to Milton’s greater goal - building a utopian town for his workers in the Pennsylvania countryside. In the idyllic town of Hershey, there will be no poverty, no illiteracy - and one man will be king. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice ...
Milton Hershey: The Lord of Chocolate | Sweet Success | 1
October 19, 2023 07:01 - 36 minutes - 33.6 MBAfter two failed candy businesses, the confectioner Milton Hershey discovers a new recipe for making caramels and starts the Lancaster Caramel Company. The business makes him a millionaire, but he quickly becomes interested in the seductive promise of a new product: chocolate. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Listen Now: Six Trophies with Shea Serrano and Jason Concepcion
October 16, 2023 08:00 - 7 minutes - 6.89 MBShea Serrano and Jason Concepcion are back! And this time they’re combing through all the NBA news from the past week and handing out six pop culture-themed trophies to six basketball-related activities. Every week, superlatives will reign down on basketball culture like Steph Curry threes when Jason and Shea dish out hoops honors like they’re Stockton to Malone running a pick & roll. Was that too many analogies for one sentence? Hell yes, but get used to it! On this new NBA pop cu...
Cisco: The Founder's Dilemma | How Founders and Investors Can Get Along | 5
October 12, 2023 07:01 - 45 minutes - 41.6 MBEntrepreneur Elizabeth Zalman and investor Jerry Neumann examine the often-difficult relationship between company founders and venture capitalists, and discuss how to avoid the spectacular disagreements experienced by Sandy Lerner. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Cisco: The Founder's Dilemma | A Decaying Partnership | 4
October 05, 2023 07:01 - 34 minutes - 31.5 MBSandy Lerner pivots industries dramatically, pairing up with a friend to create a make-up company that specializes in unconventional colors. But now that Sandy has money to invest on her own, she becomes just as ruthless as Don Valentine, the venture capitalist who pushed Sandy out of Cisco. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Cisco: The Founder's Dilemma | Ousted | 3
September 28, 2023 07:01 - 33 minutes - 30.3 MBCisco goes public. It’s a financial windfall for all involved, including co-founders Sandy Lerner and Len Bosack. But the tensions behind-the- scenes at the company reach breaking point and force Sandy and Len into a monumental decision. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Cisco: The Founder's Dilemma | Venture Lost | 2
September 21, 2023 07:01 - 33 minutes - 30.7 MBAfter two years of running Cisco out of their home, Sandy and Len have finally grown Cisco to a point where it makes modest profits and they can afford an actual office. To reach the next level, they’ll need to step out of their bubble and form a partnership with an investor. But not all matches are made in heaven. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Cisco: The Founder's Dilemma | Making Connections | 1
September 14, 2023 07:01 - 34 minutes - 31.7 MBWhile working for Stanford University in the 1980s, married couple Sandy Lerner and Len Bosack help invent a technology that allows computers of different makes and models to talk to each other for the first time. But they risk financial ruin when they decide to commercialize their invention. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Building Lego | Toy Expert Chris Byrne on the rise of Lego | 5
September 07, 2023 07:01 - 37 minutes - 34.2 MBToy industry expert Chris Byrne discusses Lego’s rise to the top of the toy industry and how its focus on one core product has guided the company to success over the decades. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Building Lego | Next Generation | 4
August 31, 2023 07:01 - 34 minutes - 31.7 MBFollowing a family tragedy, Godtfred Kirk Christiansen prepares to hand over his company to the next generation—but first he must reinvent Lego for the modern age. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Building Lego | Moving Forward | 3
August 24, 2023 07:01 - 36 minutes - 33.1 MBGodtfred Kirk Christiansen leads Lego into a period of rapid expansion, but his vision for the future of the company comes at a great cost: his relationship with family. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Building Lego | System in Play | 2
August 17, 2023 07:01 - 36 minutes - 33 MBGodtfred Kirk Christiansen differentiates Lego from its increasingly fierce competition by building his business around a core product: plastic bricks. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell...
Building Lego | Out of the Ashes | 1
August 10, 2023 07:01 - 35 minutes - 32.5 MBA small Danish toy company survives World War Two thanks to its quality craftsmanship, but behind the scenes all is not well. Despite its good reputation, Lego teeters on the edge of bankruptcy, and a choice to change production methods threatens to tear the family-owned company apart. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us by supportin...
The Disappearance of General Magic | Filmmaker Sarah Kerruish on her documentary ‘General Magic' | 5
August 03, 2023 07:01 - 42 minutes - 38.6 MBSarah Kerruish, director of the award-winning documentary ‘General Magic’, talks about her memories of the Silicon Valley start-up and why she chose to make a film about the company. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https:...
The Disappearance of General Magic | The Early Bird Gets No Worm | 4
July 27, 2023 07:01 - 35 minutes - 32.7 MBAfter the flop of the Magic Link, General Magic’s future looks bleak. Senior Engineer Tony Fadell proposes a plan to right the ship, while CEO Marc Porat attempts to adapt the business to the growing internet before General Magic falls apart completely. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Poli...
The Disappearance of General Magic | In Stores Now | 3
July 20, 2023 07:01 - 35 minutes - 32.9 MBGeneral Magic sprints toward the deadline to release its first device. Despite resistance from engineers including Tony Fadell, CEO Marc Porat pushes forward with the product launch, until a setback leaves both Tony and Marc reconsidering the future of the company. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us by supporting our sponsors! See ...
The Disappearance of General Magic | Partners, Publicity, and Pressure | 2
July 13, 2023 07:01 - 35 minutes - 32.8 MBTony Fadell races against time to develop a Pocket Crystal prototype as Marc Porat recruits partners to invest in General Magic. But a betrayal by the company’s oldest ally forces Marc to break his silence and reveal his vision to the world. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Policy at https:...
The Disappearance of General Magic | The Pocket Crystal | 1
July 06, 2023 07:01 - 34 minutes - 31.4 MBAlmost two decades before the launch of the iPhone, Apple Executive Marc Porat launches a project to develop the world’s first smartphone. But to fulfill his ambitions, he will have to launch his own company: General Magic. There, he will assemble a team of brilliant engineers, including a determined young man fresh out of college called Tony Fadell, who shares Marc’s vision of changing the world. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and...
JP Morgan Saves Wall Street | Business Reporter Susan Berfield on JP Morgan’s Legacy | 5
June 29, 2023 07:01 - 42 minutes - 38.5 MBSusan Berfield, author of The Hour of Fate, examines Pierpont’s relationship with Theodore Roosevelt, and the banker’s legacy in business and politics. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell...
JP Morgan Saves Wall Street | The Big Chief | 4
June 22, 2023 07:01 - 38 minutes - 35.4 MBJP Morgan spars with Theodore Roosevelt as the new president begins a battle against big business. But Morgan’s help will be required one final time when the Panic of 1907 rocks the United States, leading to a fundamental change to the American financial system: the creation of the Federal Reserve. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us...
Wondery Presents: Diss and Tell
June 19, 2023 08:00 - 6 minutes - 6.04 MBSavage subtweets. Scathing diss tracks. Tell-all memoirs. These are the weapons that celebrities use to wage modern social warfare against each other. Feuds between celebrities captivate us like nothing else. Why are there so many fights that play out for everyone to watch? How do public figures tap into the arsenal of weapons at their disposal to come out on top? And why do we have such a hard time looking away? From Wondery, the makers of the hit series Scamfluencers and Even the...
JP Morgan Saves Wall Street | Morganization | 3
June 15, 2023 07:01 - 34 minutes - 31.5 MBJP Morgan comes to the aid of the country for a second time during the infamous Panic of 1893. Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. https://wondery.app.link/historytellers Support us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
JP Morgan Saves Wall Street | Railroad Wars | 2
June 08, 2023 07:01 - 35 minutes - 32.2 MBJP Morgan steps in to stave off the hostile takeover of a railroad, leading him on a quest to clean up the ever-expanding and increasingly corrupt industry and consolidate power. To listen to Business Movers ad-free, join Wondery+ in the Wondery App. Click here to download the app: https://wondery.app.link/businessmovers. Support us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my...
Wondery Presents: I Love My Kid, But…
June 05, 2023 08:00 - 8 minutes - 7.78 MBThis is a safe place for parents to get away from it all. It’s a cliche that having kids is both the most rewarding and the hardest thing you’ll ever do. And it never ends: just when you’ve figured out how a newborn works, the kid becomes a toddler, then a tween, a teenager and beyond. And kids don’t come with an instruction manual or an off switch. Sure, you love your kids, best thing that ever happened to you blah blah blah, BUT… Welcome to I Love My Kid, But… a weekly escape wh...
JP Morgan Saves Wall Street | A Family Affair | 1
June 01, 2023 07:01 - 35 minutes - 32.9 MBIn the face of a financial crisis, the famous banker JP Morgan puts his reputation and his wealth on the line when he intervenes to save Wall Street, and the country, from a financial meltdown. To listen to Business Movers ad-free, join Wondery+ in the Wondery App. Click here to download the app: https://wondery.app.link/businessmovers. Support us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy...