Derek talks with guest Verne Harnish, founder of the world-renowned Entrepreneurs'​ Organization (EO) and author of the best-selling book “Scaling Up”, about including his family in his business, building anti-fragile children and companies, and what’s new for Scaling Up. Verne talks about how his family in the past influenced his entrepreneurial journey. Verne talks about some of his bucket list items, and other things he is excited about that his company offers.