Jon and Justin are hunkered down, and reeling from COVID-19:

This is moving fast, so this podcast might already be out-of-date.Difference between the restrictions in Chicago and Vernon."It's hard to focus on Transistor and write any code.""There are all these people out there suffering, it's hard to know what to do.""You see these effects rippling through society, and then rippling towards you."7:50 – "It'd be nice to donate to everyone, but you just can't."8:40 – It's a multidimensional difficulty for businesses.9:15 – The tools for small shops are still not very good (especially the UX).Justin's tweet about Square10:14 – DNS is still the most difficult thing.11:00 – "These people are scrambling to save their businesses."Ivy and Dan Meehan’s podcast, LocalWhen did you start taking this seriously? On the Not Overthinking podcastWhat makes a business recession-proof?Henry Mintzberg: The Three Pillars for rebalancing societyInterview with Henry MintzbergAre we going to band together, and fight this together?MegaMaker Slack

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