Breaking Thru with Elaina Smith
47 episodes - English - Latest episode: over 4 years ago - ★★★★★ - 50 ratingsJoin award-winning host Elaina Smith from Nashville as she opens the door to female artists and shows why listeners want to hear more than male artists. Shining her spotlight each week on talented female entertainers, Elaina interviews legends, up-and-comers, and everyone in between.
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Karen Waldrup
November 24, 2019 14:00 - 41 minutesKaren Waldrup joins Elaina in studio to talk about her breakthrough, dealing with a stalker, and her future plans in the music business. http://www.karenwaldrup.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Stephanie Wagner and Christina Bosch from NY Country Swag
November 17, 2019 14:00 - 1 hourStephanie Wagner and Christina Bosch from NY Country Swag join Elaina to talk about their love for Country Music. https://nycountryswag.com/author/stephanie-wagner-and-christina-bosch/ Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/ad...
S2 Ep 3 - Farewell Angelina
November 11, 2019 13:46 - 35 minutesElaina sits down to chat with her friends and rising country music stars, Farewell Angelina! http://www.farewellangelinamusic.com Watch a "live" performance with Farewell Angelina here: http://www.nashcountrydaily.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Eliana on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Under the Covers with Victoria Shaw
November 10, 2019 14:00 - 50 minutesSinger-Songwriter, Victoria Shaw joins Elaina to discuss her career and new show, Songwriters: Under the Covers with Victoria Shaw! A new intimate music performance and storytelling series that puts the spotlight on the songwriters of some of music’s biggest hits across pop, rock and country. Songwriters featured in the series include Brett James (Carrie Underwood’s “Jesus Take the Wheel”), Desmond Child (Bon Jovi’s “Livin’ on a Prayer”), Angela Hunte (Alicia Keys’ “Empire State of Mind”), Er...
Miranda Lambert
November 03, 2019 14:00 - 25 minutesMiranda Lambert stops by to visit with Elaina... and she has some advice for hopeful country music stars. https://www.mirandalambert.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Women in Radio Tell Their Story
October 27, 2019 13:00 - 1 hourElaina gives us her second Happy Hour episode by hanging with actual co-workers and friends in Nashville. This one goes deep into the world of women in radio, and will give aspiring female broadcasters tips, hope, and insight... while also shedding light on the broadcasting business for listeners in general. An educational and worthy podcast for all who love country music, radio, and behind the scenes talk regarding working in the media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices...
Megan Hilty and Jessie Mueller are "Patsy & Loretta"
October 20, 2019 13:00 - 38 minutesMegan Hilty and Jessie Mueller join Elaina to talk about their new movie, Patsy & Loretta, working on Broadway, and being a women in the business. More about Jessie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessie_Mueller Official Meagan Webpage: http://www.meganhiltyonline.com Patsy & Loretta! https://www.mylifetime.com/movies/patsy-and-loretta Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter: ht...
The Highwomen
October 13, 2019 13:00 - 31 minutesThe Highwomen stop by to talk with Elaina about their music and how the band came together. https://lnk.to/TheHighwomen https://twitter.com/TheHighwomen?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Kristin Chenoweth
October 06, 2019 13:00 - 34 minutesKristin Chenoweth joins Elaina for a heartfelt conversation. Here's Kristin's Official webpage. Get her new album now! https://www.officialkristinchenoweth.com Kristen is an American actress and singer, with credits in musical theatre, film and television. In 1999, she won a Tony Award for her performance as Sally Brown in You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown on Broadway. In 2003, she received wide notice for originating the role of Glinda in the musical Wicked, including a nomination for anoth...
Rising Stars: Avenue Beat
September 29, 2019 13:00 - 37 minutesUp and coming country artists, Avenue Beat join Elaina to tell their story on how they came together, picked out the band's name, and more! Check out Avenue Beat here: http://www.avenuebeat.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoic...
On Broadway in Nashville!
September 22, 2019 13:00 - 1 hourElaina dives deep into one of the most famous streets in Nashville... Broadway! Meet two country music workhorses who entertain visitors of music city each day. These women are the real deal, and aren't afraid to tell it like it is. Dominique Hutchinson and Liza Drake on Breaking Thru! Liza Drake: https://www.instagram.com/lizadrakee/?hl=en https://www.facebook.com/lizadrakemusic/ https://twitter.com/lizadrakee?lang=en Dominique Hutchinson: http://t.co/6KJ06PSmDI?amp=1 https://twitter.com/do...
Ruthie Collins
September 15, 2019 13:00 - 1 hourAmericana / Country artist, Ruthie Collins visits Elaina for a deep conversation about being a woman in the music business. For more on Ruthie: https://ruthiecollinsmusic.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily:https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter:https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Happy Hour
September 08, 2019 13:00 - 1 hourCountry Music insiders, journalist, and TV host, Lisa Konwicki and Alecia Davis join Elaina for a Happy Hour of industry talk. Follow Lisa: https://twitter.com/LisaKon127 Follow Alecia: https://twitter.com/aleciadavis Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily:https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter:https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad c...
Sweet Leah
September 01, 2019 13:00 - 39 minutesRising Country Music Stars, Sweet Leah joins Elaina for EP 13! Official Webpage: https://www.sweetleahmusic.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily:https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter:https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Tanya Tucker
August 25, 2019 13:00 - 37 minutesCountry music star... and living legend, Tanya Tucker joins Elaina for a deep discussion about life, music, her new album, and show business. Visit the official web-page for Tanya here. Buy the new album as well: https://www.tanyatucker.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily:https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter:https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Lear...
Lauren Jenkins
August 18, 2019 13:00 - 37 minutesRising new country music star, Lauren Jenkins stops by to chat and play her songs for Elaina! Visit Lauren's Webpage and social: https://www.laurenjenkins.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily:https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter:https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Ingrid Andress
August 11, 2019 13:00 - 36 minutesSinger-songwriter, Ingrid Andress joins Elaina to talk music and life! Listen to Emily Ann Roberts cover Ingrid here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SRC8VZ4_cM Visit Ingrid's Official Webpage: https://www.ingridandress.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily:https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter:https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about...
Emily Ann Roberts
August 04, 2019 13:00 - 37 minutesCountry singer and Voice contestant, Emily Ann Roberts joins Elaina on Breaking Thru! "When I was in the 6th grade, I made my first public performance at my church singing “Blessings” by Laura Story. Later that year, my friend and I auditioned for our middle school talent show and though we tried our best, we didn’t make it in the competition. I decided to ask the teacher what I could improve on so I could have a better chance of making it the next year. My teacher said, “Maybe if you would...
S2 Ep 8 - Jessie Ritter
July 28, 2019 13:00 - 46 minutesJessie Ritter is our guest for episode 8! Ritter’s voice has taken her around the world—from Australia, to Europe, to New York City. During this time, she spent thousands of hours on stage performing on passenger cruise ships. Now based in Northwest Florida, the budding artist plays music all along the coast, including the Pensacola Beach Songwriters Festival. After winning NashFM 105.5’s regional Nash Next competition, she represented the panhandle in the national finals, held at Wildhorse S...
S2 Ep 7 - Mickey Guyton
July 21, 2019 13:00 - 43 minutesMickey Guyton stops by to talk with Elaina about her life and music. Visit Mickey here: https://www.mickeyguyton.com Watch a "live" performance with Mickey Guyton here: https://bit.ly/2YhLaXK Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Elaina on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S2 Ep 6 - Honey County
July 14, 2019 13:00 - 22 minutesElaina talks with country music recording artists, Honey County... about how they became a band, what it's like to be women in country music, making videos, and performing "live". Here's a link to the band: http://www.honeycounty.com Watch a "live" performance with Honey County here: http://www.nashcountrydaily.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Eliana on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Elaina ...
S2 Ep 5 - Bailey Bryan
July 07, 2019 13:00 - 39 minutesElaina sits down with rising country music star, Bailey Bryan... for an in-depth conversation on her rise to stardom. https://www.baileybryan.com Watch a "live" performance with Bailey here: http://www.nashcountrydaily.com Check out "live" music performances on Nash Country Daily: https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryWeekly/videos Follow Eliana on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S2 Ep 4 - Maddie and Tae
June 30, 2019 13:00 - 16 minutesElaina has a heart to heart with country music stars, Maddie and Tae! https://www.maddieandtae.com Follow Elaina on IG: https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith/ Elaina on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S2 Ep 2 - Trisha Yearwood
June 16, 2019 13:00 - 21 minutesElaina's bucket list guest, Trisha Yearwood stops by to talk about women in country music, radio, standing up for herself, image, marriage, Garth Brooks, and her new music. Follow Trisha on Twitter: https://twitter.com/trishayearwood Follow Elaina on IG: https://www.instagram.com/elainadsmith/ Elaina on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S2 Ep 1 - Maren Morris
June 09, 2019 13:00 - 14 minutesWe kickoff season two with a new show title and great friend of the podcast! Maren Morris stops by to chat with Elaina about charting on the radio, an all-girls tour, and her most recent album, Girl. Listen to Elaina's interview with Maren Morris from Season One! Follow Elaina on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elainadsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Trailer: Breaking Thru with Elaina Smith
May 28, 2019 19:00 - 4 minutesThe podcast is coming back for Season 2. Hear about some of the changes we've made and get a taste of what's coming up. New episodes of Breaking Thru with Elaina Smith start on June 9. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
"Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Cam
December 18, 2018 17:04 - 40 minutesI can't believe we've come to the finale episode of Season 1. I'm so excited about what we've accomplished since launching this podcast in June—and that includes YOU listening, watching and reading this. We will definitely keep things going in 2019, but we have the perfect way to wrap things up in 2018. Our guest this week is Cam, a woman who has been at the top of my guest list since starting the show. Cam has been a huge inspiration to me, and a wonderful friend and supporter of the show. ...
"Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Season 1 Review
December 11, 2018 18:43 - 27 minutesI can't believe Season 1 of Women Want to Hear Women is winding down. Since launching in June, we have completed 23 amazing episodes featuring some of the genre's biggest names, rising stars and up-and-comers. Before we close Season 1 next week with a sit-down interview with Cam—I'm so excited—I thought it would be fun to reflect on some of this season's episodes, so I brought in my partner in crime, Jim Casey, editor in chief of Nash Country Daily, who helped me launch the podcast six month...
"Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Danielle Bradbery
December 05, 2018 18:42 - 25 minutesDanielle Bradbery has been in the public eye since winning The Voice as a 16-year-old in 2013. But winning a reality talent competition doesn't immediately translate to superstardom. Like most reality show winners, Danielle has had to work tirelessly to prove herself—and find herself as an artist. In our sit-down interview this week, Danielle talks about her time on The Voice, growing up in the public eye, finding her confidence, releasing her recent album, I Don't Believe We've Met, and so ...
"Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Leah Turner
November 27, 2018 15:32 - 27 minutesLeah Turner has had such an interesting career since moving from California to Nashville in 2012. She is a true example of how finicky the country music industry can be—but her hard work and talent have not gone unnoticed. While Leah has had many challenges, she's also had many victories, including releasing her self-titled EP and charting two singles. Leah is one of the hardest working women in Nashville, and I'm thrilled we were able to sit down and chat. You'll also find out how Leah orig...
"Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring RaeLynn
November 12, 2018 21:12 - 26 minutesSince launching Women Want to Hear Women in June, RaeLynn has been one of the show's biggest supporters. Every time I've bumped into her around town, we've talked about finding enough time for her to stop by the podcast to share her story and insight. Thankfully, we were finally able to make it happen—she's a busy and successful woman! Texas native RaeLynn caught our ear as a 17-year-old when she was on The Voice in 2012. Since then, she has moved to Nashville, released her debut album, tou...
"Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Maren Morris
November 05, 2018 17:11 - 17 minutesAs of today, there is only one woman in the Top 30 on the Billboard Country Airplay chart: Maren Morris, whose single “Rich” is currently No. 5. Maren stopped by Women Want to Hear Women this week and delivered an open and honest dialogue about the current state of women in the country industry, differences in the pop world, how to correct some of the problems and much more. “I feel conflicted, because I worked so hard to put this album [Hero] out with songs that I dearly care about, and it...
"Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Logan Brill
October 29, 2018 18:23 - 23 minutesOn this week's podcast, we're featuring a young woman you are going to fall in love with: Logan Brill. One of the great byproducts of this podcast is that it has allowed me to discover even more women in country music—Logan is a perfect example. She makes me so excited about the future of the genre and the work ethic of women in this industry. Logan has worked hard to get to where she is today, drawing inspiration from strong women like her mom and sister. And her hard work has been paying...
17: “Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina” Featuring Delta Rae
October 22, 2018 16:09 - 31 minutesA few weeks ago I mentioned that I really wanted to start involving more men into the Women Want to Hear Women conversation, because the only way to change the conversation is by working together. I thought the perfect guests would be the men and women of Delta Rae. The group, composed of two women and four men, released a female empowerment anthem on Oct. 19 called "Hands Dirty." In a bit of a plot twist, band member Ian Hölljes was the initial writer of the song before his sister Brittany ...
16: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Tenille Townes
October 16, 2018 16:17 - 26 minutesYou know you're doing something right when Miranda Lambert and Little Big Town handpick you as the opener for their Bandwagon Tour, right? Well, that is exactly what happened to Tenille Townes this summer. When it comes to Tenille's talents, I was actually a little slow to the party. Not anymore, thanks in part to everyone who saw her on tour and tweeted us to feature her! Tenille is talented, intelligent and thoughtful beyond her years. I really think you're going to love this one. Enjoy! ...
15: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Jessie Chris
October 10, 2018 18:34 - 19 minutesThere are many different paths to success in the ever-changing country music industry—and Jessie Chris is forging her own. Jessie is making moves WITHOUT a traditional record contract, and it has been really impressive to watch the 21-year-old release new music, headline her own tour and acquire sponsorship deals with brands like Durango Boots. It's hard not to fall in love with her tremendous talents, sweet personality and kind heart. In this week's episode, Jessie shares some great insigh...
14: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Rachel Wammack
October 03, 2018 17:41 - 25 minutesRachel Wammack was the first new artist I was introduced to this year—and she's a big reason I launched the Women Want to Hear Women podcast. After a random "Asian-fusion" dinner with her at the ACM Awards in April, I fell in love with her personality before I heard her sing. I was hoping she was as talented in the music arena as she was fun . . . and I was NOT disappointed when I heard her debut single, “Damage.” Rachel's career is just getting started, but I can already tell she has star ...
13: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Kalie Shorr
September 24, 2018 16:01 - 21 minutesKalie Shorr has been carving out a name for herself since moving to Music City five years ago . . . and she hasn't let a little thing like the lack of a record deal stand in her way. Since 2016, Kalie has released three EPs, and as one of the co-founders of the all-female, singer-songwriter collective Song Suffragettes, the talented 24-year-old has been an incredible champion for women, not only in country music, but in all genres. The group's 2018 song, "Times Up," which Kalie co-wrote, add...
12: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Runaway June
September 17, 2018 17:48 - 29 minutesThe ladies of Runaway June—Naomi Cooke, Hannah Mulholland and Jennifer Wayne—are three of the smartest, kindest and most talented women I have ever met. This is a trio country music should be proud to have representing our genre. Hannah, Naomi and Jennifer have been fierce supporters of the WWTHW podcast since the beginning, and I've been dying to get them on! The time has finally come, and the ladies do not hold back. Enjoy their wisdom and wit, and when you're finished listening to the pod...
10: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Carrie Underwood
September 03, 2018 11:00 - 17 minutesWhen I launched the Women Want to Hear Women podcast with Nash Country Daily on June 15, I had no idea how far this campaign would come in less than three months. After nine amazing episodes, I'm excited to tell you that we now have a platform on the Westwood One Podcast Network—and our first episode on the network features none other than Carrie Underwood, one of the most popular and powerful artists in country music. Carrie has always championed women. She is one of the people who inspire...
9: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Rachel Reinert
August 27, 2018 16:13 - 25 minutesIt's been a couple of years since we've heard from Rachel Reinert, who was part of Gloriana from 2008 to 2016. Now, Rachel is doing her own thing as a solo artist—and she has a cool new single, "Cool." Rachel stopped by the Nash campus earlier this month and chose Women Want to Hear Women for her FIRST sit-down interview since leaving the trio and reemerging as a solo artist. We get into why she left the trio, what she's been doing and how she found herself and her sound. Rachel also "Play...
8: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Sarah Darling
August 20, 2018 18:18 - 21 minutesA popular local adage is that Nashville is a "10-year town," suggesting it takes an artist a decade to finally make it "big." Sarah Darling has been in Music City for almost a decade—singing, writing, releasing music and winning over new fans with each performance. Is it finally Sarah's time? In this week's WWTHW conversation, I talk with Sarah about her patience, journey, obstacles and successes, including building a fan base in Europe. This was my first time meeting Sarah, and if it is yo...
7: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina" Featuring Stephanie Quayle
August 10, 2018 15:29 - 23 minutesNot only is Stephanie Quayle one of my favorite human beings, but she is also an incredible—and underrated—artist. If you aren't familiar with Stephanie's music, be sure to check out our WWTHW Playlist, because Stephanie kicks some serious booty. I sincerely admire Stephanie's art and the fact that she is a complete BOSS LADY! In this week's sit-down, we have a lot of fun in the studio as Stephanie offers some astute advice and provides keen insight for females in the industry. Hope you en...
6: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina Smith" Featuring Clare Dunn
August 03, 2018 13:51 - 24 minutesClare Dunn has been one of my favorite artists since releasing singles "Move On" and "Tuxedo" a few years ago. If you're not familiar with her name, I suggest you catch her live show. She is one of the most electric performers I've EVER seen. This week, I sat down with Clare to talk about what it's like being a woman in the male-dominated country genre, patience, dogs, dancing, alter egos and more. Clare also shared some great advice for aspiring artists entering the country music industry. ...
5: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina Smith" Featuring Tegan Marie
July 27, 2018 11:00 - 17 minutesWe've been getting some really unique perspectives from female artists since launching Women Want to Hear Women—and this week's profile is extra special: 14-year-old Tegan Marie. Tegan is the youngest artist to be signed to a major country label since Tanya Tucker in 1972. Obviously, her experience as a woman in country music has been VERY different from the ladies we've profiled so far. In our sit-down interview, Tegan and I talk about what it's like being in the spotlight at such a young ...
4: "Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina Smith" Featuring Shawna Thompson of Thompson Square
July 20, 2018 15:03 - 16 minutesNot all female voices in country music come from solo artists. Little Big Town’s four-pronged power comes in equal measures from both Karen Fairchild and Kimberly Schlapman as well as Jimi Westbrook and Phillip Sweet. Lady Antebellum soars with the combination of Hillary Scott, Charles Kelley and Dave Haywood. Maddie Marlow and Tae Dye of Maddie & Tae are best friends, a sound that is almost palpable in their harmonies. In this week’s episode, I sit down with Thompson Square’s Shawna Thomps...
1: “Women Want to Hear Women With Elaina Smith" Featuring Kacey Musgraves
July 18, 2018 18:11 - 5 minutesNeed a refresher on what #WomenWantToHearWomen is all about? We definitely have a long list of powerful and talented women to shine the spotlight on, so let’s get things rolling. The inaugural #WomenWantToHearWomen feature is . . . Kacey Musgraves. Not only did I get a BUNCH of tweets about Kacey, but she also happens to be one of my personal favorites. Honestly, she’s the first artist who sparked my interest regarding women not being played on country radio—and that was back in 2013. I cou...