For about a decade, Ashley Leer has led the experimental post-punk group Def Rain. For about three years, she's also led the indie-pop group Abbreviations. For about an hour, she sat down with us to chat about music, Fred Armisen, vandalism, her neighbors and more. We had a great time with her, and we are grateful for her time. Time is relative. We wish Ashley Leer was one of our relatives. Listen to the episode.