University of Texas at Austin faculty member Sam Woolley, whose expertise focuses on the use of propaganda in new media and emerging technologies, chats with Trey Elling about MANUFACTURING CONSENSUS: UNDERSTANDING PROPAGANDA IN THE AGE OF AUTOMATION AND ANONYMITY. Topics include:

The book’s goal (1:12)
How propaganda initially came to be (2:20)
Jacques Ellul’s influence on Sam’s belief’s (6:05)
Defining computational propaganda (8:55)
Social media bots (12:43)
ChatGPT (16:06)
Governments loving Facebook & Reddit for computational propaganda (17:53)
Propaganda-bred apathy (20:55)
Democratizing propaganda being bad for democracy (22:39)
Why social media is bad for civil discourse (24:41)
What he’s taken from recent #TwitterFiles & congressional testimony revelations (28:04)
Treating social media companies as public utilities (31:07)
If its possible to quantify the number of social media bots (34:02)
Encrypted messaging like WhatsApp as a propaganda tool (38:23)
The danger of automated political influencers (41:56)
How journalists have been crucial in Sam’s understanding of political bots (45:28)
Journalists leaning on social media posts for articles (48:33)
Journalists using bots for good (49:29)
Bots writing news stories (51:24)
ChatGPT usage at the college level (52:52)
China using social media to spread propaganda abroad (57:29)
Why Sam is still optimistic about the future (59:00)