#217 - Amy Zegart on SPIES, LIES, AND ALGORITHMS
Books on Pod with Trey Elling
English - February 25, 2022 15:35 - 54 minutes - 49.5 MB - ★★★★★ - 3 ratingsBooks Arts health fitness business lifestyle entrepreneur marketing entrepreneurship interview wellness nutrition Homepage Download Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Overcast Castro Pocket Casts RSS feed
US intelligence expert Amy B. Zegart chats with Trey Elling about SPIES, LIES, AND ALGORITHMS: THE HISTORY AND FUTURE OF AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE. Topics include:
The US intel perspective on Russia's war on Ukraine (1:37)
The use of cyber warfare in this conflict (3:29)
An element of cyber warfare that US intel was slow to understand (4:42)
DC and Silicon Valley improving their relationships for the good of cyber warfare (5:43)
George Washington actually proving to be an adept liar, especially on the battlefield (7:33)
Improvements to intel gathering by the American Civil War (9:02)
How the attack on Pearl Harbor shaped intelligence (10:28)
The CIA's original intent upon its founding in 1947 and how quickly it became something else (11:34)
How George Church and his 1970s Church Commission further shaped US intel agencies (12:41)
What it looks like when an Congressional oversight committee does well with the intelligence agencies (14:28)
Why the long-running disfunction between agencies got worse between the end of the Cold War and 9/11 (16:22)
How 'unknown unknowns' shape decision-making (17:33)
Whether intelligence is inherently secretive (19:17)
The most common characteristic among intelligence officers (20:42)
Finding Bin Laden as an example of forgetting everything you known to learn the truth (22:56)
Asymmetrical information as a tool in making accurate predictions (24:35)
The point where the amount of information goes from helpful to overwhelming when making predictions (26:12)
Groupthink (one of Amy's 'seven deadly biases') negatively affecting the US intel community's read on Iraq and WMDs earlier this century (27:30)
How to frame a problem in a manner that helps to avoid those biases (28:44)
The secret of 'superforecasters' (30:06)
Whether artificial intelligence is better at analyzing data than humans (31:18)
The definition of 'counterintelligence' (32:46)
The benefits of counterintelligence done well (33:04)
Why intelligence agencies still use polygraphs when the technology has been proven as unreliable (33:47)
How technology caused a counterintelligence crisis for the US in China a decade ago (36:43)
Why 'covert action' is such a hotly debated topic within the intel community (38:02)
How it's both good and bad that intelligence and war fighting are much more connected (41:34)
What the public gets wrong about US intel agencies and officers dues to the liberties Hollywood takes with their depictions in movies and tv shows (43:22)
ZERO DARK THIRTY as an example of Hollywood taking major liberties with 'truth' (46:04)
How it's decided which information gets classified and who makes those decisions (47:25)
Why chapter nine, titled "Intelligence Isn't Just For Governments Anymore", focused on nuclear threats (48:40)
What Amy thinks will happen with our response to Russia in the coming days, weeks, and months (51:06)
Whether China will take this opportunity to gain more of a stranglehold on Taiwan (52:31)