When Orlando Lima decided to leave his corporate position at Def Jam last year to pursue the spirits industry, he didn't fathom the road ahead aka the pandemic. Having both worked at VH1 where we met, navigating challenges in and out of the corporate space wasn't new to us but what does that look like when the world is on a stand still?  


No stranger to the podcast, Orlando shares what entrepreneurial life has looked like because of rona, his thoughts on corporations embracing black culture out of convenience, and ways black men can show up for Black women.

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