Rosie Wennberg joins me to talk about two essays from Judith Butler's Precarious Life (2004): "Violence, Mourning, Politics" and "Indefinite Detention," both of which deal with different post-9/11 American phenomena. The first touches on the universal experience of grief and how it can inform politics, and the second addresses the indefinite detention of humans in the prison at Guantanamo Bay. We try to understand Butler's analysis and Rosie shares some of the more memorable passages.