Jelle Niemantsverdriet joins us in this episode to discuss how the mindset around security is evolving, both from organisations and from professionals. My favourite takeaway is that security is on the same path as testing and becoming part of quality in software development. 




Connect with Jelle Niemantsverdriet:


https://www.linkedin.com/in/jelleniemantsverdriet 


https://twitter.com/jelle_n 




References:


Digital Defense Report - https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/security/security-insider/microsoft-digital-defense-report-2023 




Data Breach Investigations Report (DBIR) - https://www.verizon.com/business/resources/reports/dbir/?CMP=OOH_SMB_OTH_22222_MC_20200501_NA_NM20200079_00001




Sidney Dekker - https://sidneydekker.com 




Kelly Shortridge - https://kellyshortridge.com/blog/


Chaos Engineering - https://www.securitychaoseng.com




Full episode on YouTube ▶️


https://youtu.be/A7DS1KCw6dY


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OUTLINE


00:00:00 - Intro


00:00:25 - Security is a matter of software quality


00:02:19 - Security way of working


00:04:37 - Professional pride


00:06:53 - Layers of defense, or excuse?


00:09:05 - The industrial revolution in IT


00:10:48 - Security as speciality


00:13:18 - Collaborating with the security department


00:14:29 - Building bridges


00:16:22 - Willingness to listen


00:19:29 - Scenario analysis workshops


00:21:01 - Unpredictable human behaviour


00:23:21 - Seemless and friction in security solutions


00:25:28 - Instant cake


00:26:38 - Red, blue and purple teaming


00:28:34 - Exploring the boundaries in AI


00:31:38 - Gamified security


00:32:46 - With risk comes reward


00:36:17 - Security costs vs. benefit


00:38:49 - Frequent password changes


00:41:20 - Verizon Data Breach Investigations Report


00:43:55 - Sidney Dekker - Human error doesn't exist


00:46:23 - Kelly Shortridge - Sensemaking


00:47:14 - Sharing knowledge around security

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