My dude Eugene Kim is a dream guest for the podcast. Truly. As I started to brainstorm what Better on the Inside could be, I made a guest list of people I'd love to talk to. And Eugene was on the FIRST LIST, which means I've wanted to chat with him for quite awhile. (There are still some dream names on the list that I hope to wrangle one day) And my dude does not disappoint. Eugene is one of the strongest voices for experimenting and changing a church model that wasn't working for him as a pastor and isn't working for A LOT of people who come (or used to come) to church. 

Eugene Kim is a pastor and the brains behind the New Wine Collective, a grassroots movement empowering people to co-create their own spiritual community wherever they are. He is wildly brilliant and I'm so thankful for his work and advocacy in the church space.

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