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(Barely) Surviving Motherhood

117 episodes - English - Latest episode: about 1 year ago - ★★★★★ - 46 ratings

Cris and Rachel discuss parenthood and all things in between. We go into the good and the bad and try to sprinkle some motivation in along the way. Get bonus content on Patreon

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Some of Our Favorite Things

January 30, 2023 06:40 - 32 minutes - 29.9 MB

These are a few of our favorite things! Did you sing that? Don't worry we don't sing in this episode but for our casual chat we went over a fun favorites list and shared some of our own. This one is fun, and we had a lot of fun recording it! We hope you enjoy and as always, Good luck surviving motherhood! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Looking Forward to 2023!

January 23, 2023 10:00 - 24 minutes - 22 MB

Welcome back! We hope you all were able to enjoy MLK day last Monday! In this week's episode, we talk about looking forward! We’ve covered looking back and took our pop quiz on 2022 in the previous episode so this week is looking ahead! We discuss if we’ve chosen a word this year and try out a fun word generate to help give us some ideas! Enjoy, and as always… good luck surviving motherhood!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Looking Back at 2022

January 02, 2023 20:00 - 21 minutes - 19.9 MB

Today we're quizzing ourselves on some of the biggest events of 2022. Do we remember what happened? Or has mom brain completely taken over? Listen now! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Christmas Time and Traditions

December 19, 2022 12:30 - 22 minutes - 20.5 MB

Today we're talking about all things Christmas! We're getting into our favorite traditions and how we celebrate with our kiddos. And go a little bit into the burden of making Christmas a magical time for your own kids. Could someone sweep in and make our Christmas super magical pretty please? As always, good luck surviving motherhood! (And the holiday season!) Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Don't Get Us Started... Sick Season

December 11, 2022 23:18 - 26 minutes - 24.6 MB

Whew! We don't know about you guys but so many germs are floating around where we live. Every time you blink someone is complaining of a new symptom or their nose has started running. This time of year can be tough! Cris and Rachel talk about what illnesses have already hit their home and complain just *a bit* about the woes of sickness in the house. As always, good luck surviving motherhood! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Worth It! December Gift Ideas

December 05, 2022 10:00 - 17 minutes - 15.7 MB

This is our little gift guide episode! We go over what we're asking for this year, some hits from the past, and even what our kiddos have loved! Visit instagram.com/survivingmotherhoodpodcast for all of the links! If you want to hear Cris explain her most embarrassing story with her husband Zack, head over to our Patreon page and become a subscriber for $3 a month and get a bonus episode every month! patreon.com/survivingmotherhoodpodcast Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. Se...

Worth It! November 2022

November 28, 2022 10:11 - 16 minutes - 15 MB

It’s time for another surviving motherhood episode! This week is a segment that we call “worth it?” Where we talk about products, shows, books, etc… and decide if we think they’re worth it or not! On this episode Rachel gives a few book recommendations, Cris talks about a good school resource and both discuss their current feelings towards jeans! Thanks for tuning in!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Thankful! Thanksgiving 2022

November 22, 2022 14:09 - 16 minutes - 15.3 MB

Welcome back! In this episode of the podcast, we want to highlight things we are thankful for! Here in the US, it’s Thanksgiving week and while this episode isn’t everything we are thankful for, we just listed a few! As always, we are thankful for our listeners and those who support us here at Surviving Motherhood! For even more Surviving Motherhood, join us on Paetron https://www.patreon.com/survivingmotherhoodpodcast. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for...

Don't Get Us Started... Mom Guilt

November 14, 2022 10:00 - 13 minutes - 12.8 MB

Glad you’ve joined us! In this episode, we do a segment called “don’t get us started.”Except, spoiler alert! We got started! We talk about things that we don’t appreciate in motherhood, and for this episode, we talk about mom guilt. We’ve yet to meet a mom who doesn’t struggle with it and we talk through some of the causes. We want this podcast to be a place where moms feel less alone and we get real about all the guilt we feel as moms and wives! We’d love to hear your stories of mom guilt, s...

10 Questions with Cris and Rachel

November 07, 2022 10:06 - 32 minutes - 29.8 MB

On this episode of the Surviving Motherhood Podcast, we pull 10 questions from the Vogue 73 questions series and answer them. We've got some fun ones, some serious and laughs in between. Tune in to learn more about your hosts! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Boo! It's Halloween!

October 31, 2022 09:00 - 14 minutes - 12.8 MB

Happy Halloween! On this episode of surviving motherhood, we found it only fitting to talk about today's holiday… Halloween! Tune in to find out if Halloween is something we thrive or survive in. Everyone stay safe out there tonight and send us pictures of your sweet kiddos all dressed up! As always, good luck surviving motherhood!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Worth It! October 2022

October 24, 2022 09:25 - 23 minutes - 21.3 MB

It’s time for another surviving motherhood episode! This week is a segment that we call “worth it?” Where we try different things and let you know if we think they’re worth it! Today we are talking about linen spray, pet hair remover, and a clothing brand! Join us to find out which ones we think are worth the hype! All the links are on our Instagram @survivingmotherhoodpodcast. Visit our patreon page patreon.com/survivingmotherhoodpodcast Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See ac...

Mom Hot Takes on Current Fashion Trends

October 17, 2022 09:24 - 24 minutes - 22.7 MB

Welcome back! In this episode of the podcast, we give our moms hot takes on things going on in the world! This week, we weigh in on our opinion of the 1990s/2000s fashion creeping back into our lives! We talk about things like the infamous potato shoe and what we think about low-rise jeans! We’d love to hear what you think so slide into our DMs on IG @survivingmotherhoodpodcast or email us at [email protected]. Thanks for listening!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on...

Kids Sports... Don't Get Us Started!

October 10, 2022 09:36 - 14 minutes - 12.9 MB

Glad you’ve joined us! In this episode, we do a segment called “don’t get us started.” Except, spoiler alert! We got started! We talk about things that we don’t appreciate in motherhood, and for this episode, it’s kid sports! We dive into what sports are like in our town, and what our kids are during this season. Thanks for tuning in, and as always, good luck surviving motherhood!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

And we're back for Season 5!

October 03, 2022 10:00 - 16 minutes - 14.7 MB

Welcome to Surviving Motherhood Podcast! If you’re new here, this episode is a great place to start! In this episode, we talk about what we’ve been up to during our lengthen break from the podcast! We update you on our kids' school situations, what kids have joined us since last season, and why we decided to stick with the name surviving motherhood! We are so glad you’re here and hope you enjoy listening! For any questions, you can find us on Instagram @survivingmotherhoodpodcast or email us ...

Worth It April

April 12, 2021 10:00 - 31 minutes - 43.1 MB

It’s a worth it episode! On this episode we talk about a couple of things we think are worth it, one we don’t recommend, and what we’ve learned about swipe ups 😏 These products are centered around things we do often... laundry and cleaning! Listen now to find out what we think of carpet cleaners, vacuums, and washing machines! Thanks for tuning in and as always, good luck surviving motherhood!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Grocery Store Problems

April 05, 2021 10:00 - 20 minutes - 28.7 MB

It’s April! We can’t believe how fast 2021 is flying by! In this episode we talk about a problem that plagues all households... figuring out what to eat and how to get it! Grab dinner out? Grocery pick up? Delivery? Run into the store? We rant about how even with so many options, it feels impossible to keep a stock pantry and meals everyone loves 🤣 So head over to @survivingmotherhoodpodcast on IG and give us all the suggestions! Thanks for tuning in, and as always, good luck surviving mother...

Our Health(ish) Journey

March 22, 2021 10:00 - 19 minutes - 27.2 MB

This feels like we are dooming ourselves by saying this... but we’ve been on a *tiny* bit of a health kick. And by that we mean that Cris has gone to her first work out class ever. And then went back again after the first class! Here we talk about how we’ve been playing around with our diets and trying to make healthier decisions so we can be the best versions of ourselves! We’ve got 7 kids between the 2 of us and we are trying to not just survive, but thrive for them! Disclaimer here: we do ...

Covid- One Year in and Our Covid Story

March 15, 2021 10:00 - 27 minutes - 37.7 MB

Well... we made a mistake. On this episode we’ll tell you all about it! You know those times when you know you’re doing something you’re not supposed to but you just sort of close your eyes and hope for the best? That’s what we did on a family trip and when we opened them, we all had covid. Tune in to here about our experiences with it and how we are still paying for it months later!  We also want to take a moment and say how deeply sorry we are for all of those who have been heavily impact...

Things That Make Us Feel Old S4, E2

March 08, 2021 11:00 - 15 minutes - 21.8 MB

What a humbling episode 🤣 In this episode we talk about how we are still using the laughing emoji while rocking our side parts and skinny jeans! We'll cover some of the things that make us feel old and show our age while doing so! If you’re still the age of the bachelor contestants, just enjoy it while you can because 30's are coming for you! We hope this episode brings a little laughter to your day, and makes you reminisce about the good ole days! Thanks for tuning in, and as always... good ...

Welcome Back to Season 4!

March 01, 2021 11:00 - 15 minutes - 20.6 MB

Welcome back! We are finally back for season four of surviving motherhood! We have been missing podcasting so much, but also trying to keep our head above water with motherhood! We are so excited you’re here and whether you’ve been with us the whole time or are new we’d love to hear from you! What do you want to hear about in season four? Thank you so much for being here, rating our podcast and following us on Instagram @survivingmotherhoodpodcast! As always, good luck surviving motherhood! G...

Worth It November S3, Ep10

November 23, 2020 11:00 - 17 minutes - 16.1 MB

This week we're coming at you with some beauty reviews! We talk about our Tarte sale purchases, and what we're loving from them. Rachel goes into her skincare journey and talks about a new hyaluronic acid product she's loving. We also talk about nails and our favorite nail polishes we're using right now, including Olive and June and Expressie by Essie! Hope you'll tune in and good luck surviving motherhood! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more informa...

Decorating for Christmas S3, E9

November 16, 2020 11:00 - 17 minutes - 15.5 MB

It’s a new episode! We did it! This episode we talk about what we think about decorating early for the holidays! This year a lot of people are seemingly decorating early. We can all use some extra joy in 2020, right? What about you? Are you decorating early? And if so, do you always or is 2020 begging for some holiday spirit early? Tune in and listen to our thoughts, then find us on Instagram (@survivingmotherhoodpodcast) and tell us what your plan is!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted o...

Currently Up To S3,E8

October 19, 2020 10:00 - 19 minutes - 17.4 MB

Welcome back! We are so glad to have you! In this episode, we talk about what’s been going on in our lives! Rachel and Cris have both started little side projects and we’ll dive into the details in this episode! Rachel has started making those adorable trendy name bracelets, and Cris and Zack bought a house to flip! To follow along on these adventures you can follow Rachel (@yayfortodaydesignco) or Cris (@entrustedmom) on Instagram! Thanks so much for tuning in, and as always, good luck sur...

In the News October S3,E7

October 12, 2020 10:00 - 27 minutes - 25.2 MB

Welcome to another in the news episode! This episode we talk about what everyone is saying about Tyra Banks on dancing with the stars, Morgan Wallens eventful week and apology, and 2 new books coming out involving Prince Harry and Williams brotherly battle and Mariah Carey’s life! Tune in now and listen to us try to pretend we are in the know with pop culture! And as always, good luck surviving motherhood!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more informa...

Hurricane Sally and Social Media Rant

September 28, 2020 10:00 - 21 minutes - 19.8 MB

Happy Monday! Thanks for tuning in to surviving motherhood podcast! We are so glad you’re here! For this episode we talk about the epitome of a 2020 beach trip 🥴 Cris and Rachel are homeschooling this year and Cris’ family decided to take an “off season” beach trip to save money and avoid the crowds! Unfortunately, while they did avoid crowds, they ran into Sally instead! Hear about how the hurricane experience went in a house with 6 kids and 6 adults and why Cris doesn’t recommend it! You’ll...

Worth It September S3E5

September 21, 2020 10:00 - 25 minutes - 23.4 MB

It’s time for another “worth it?” episode! If you’re new here, first you should know that we are so glad you’ve joined us! Secondly, you should know that our “worth it?” episodes are where we talk about products we’ve tired, books we’ve read, things we’ve done, or places we’ve gone and let you know if we think they’re “worth it” or not! For this September episode we cover vacuums, some of Cris’ favorite baby clothes brands, and some of Rachel’s favorite organizing tools! This months episode w...

Shepard's Birth Story S3, E4

September 14, 2020 05:00 - 21 minutes - 20 MB

Welcome back to Surviving Motherhood Podcast! This week, Cris is catching up on her newest edition Shepard! She talks about having a baby in the middle of a pandemic and how it feels welcoming their fifth baby into the family. We hope you enjoy and as always good luck surviving motherhood! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

September In the News S3, E3

September 07, 2020 10:00 - 32 minutes - 30.1 MB

It’s time for our in the news segment! But don’t let that name fool you, we aren’t talking about “serious” news ;) On this episode we cover the new dancing with the stars cast, the Bella twins’ babies, what Meghan and Harry have been up to, and the devastating passing of a super hero. Thank you for tuning in, and as always (and now more than ever!) , good luck surviving motherhood. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Worth It: School Supplies Edition S3, E2

August 31, 2020 10:00 - 20 minutes - 19.2 MB

Hello again! We are so excited you’ve decided to join us for season 3 of Surviving Motherhood Podcast! If you’re new here, we try to do monthly round ups for products that we think are “worth it” or not. This episode we thought it would be fun to do a school edition! If you listened to our last episode you know that we have both recently converted to being homeschool moms! Naturally we needed some things at home to make that transition a little easier. Tune in now to hear what products we e...

Back to School S3, E1

August 24, 2020 10:00 - 17 minutes - 16.1 MB

Welcome back to Surviving Motherhood Podcast! We have been missing this little platform and “chatting” with you guys! Hopefully you’ve had plenty of time to catch up on old episodes and are ready for more! For this episode, well cover the main question plaguing moms everywhere... “what are you doing about school?” Whether you chose virtual, home school, or on site school we are proud of you! Back to school decisions were extra challenging this year and on this episode we’ll let you in on how,...

In the News March S2, E28

March 16, 2020 10:43 - 31 minutes - 29.1 MB

This episode of surviving motherhood podcast is another “in the news”. It’s no surprise that we talk about the ONLY things that are actually in the news now days... Barb and Corona! We share absolutely zero facts about the coronavirus and are only talking about what life is going to be like knowing that we could be quarantined with our children! We also talk about Barb. Oh Barb. What even is there to say? Tune in to find out what we think about these events in the world around us! Enjoy! And ...

Worth It March S2, E27

March 09, 2020 10:00 - 35 minutes - 32.1 MB

Thanks for tuning in to surviving motherhood podcast! This week we talk through our worth it segment! In this segment, we give you things that we think are worth it or not worth it that we’ve tried! For this episode, we talk about sending kids to preschool, universal thread brand clothing at target, and subscribe and save on Amazon! If you haven’t already we’d love for you to go rare and review our podcast. And as a always, good luck surviving motherhood! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted...

Politics with Cris and Rachel S2, E26

March 02, 2020 11:00 - 26 minutes - 24.5 MB

Welcome back to another episode of surviving motherhood! On this episode we talk about ... politics. But don’t worry, not the kind of political podcast you’re thinking. This episode we talk about the negative effects politics brings to our news feeds on social media. We talk about why we wouldn’t be cut out for politics and how overwhelmed we get even trying to keep up! We wish every politician good luck during this political season and hope we all survive through November’s election! ;) As a...

Digital Media Literacy with Letters and Sense

February 24, 2020 13:14 - 33 minutes - 30.4 MB

Welcome back! This week are so excited to have 2 guest with us! We are talking to the ladies from “letters and sense” about internet safety and how to help navigate the world of parenting and technology. Angela and Rosie give great tips and insight to make things a bit smoother for us parents. We are excited you’re tuning in and hope you take the time to rate and review our podcast! As always, good luck surviving motherhood! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/pri...

In the News February, S2, E24

February 10, 2020 11:00 - 29 minutes - 27.4 MB

On this episode of “in the news” we have a big surprise at the end so stick around for that! We talk about our opinions on the Super Bowl halftime and what tiktok is all about. We are doing our best to keep those of us buried in motherhood to sound like we also know what’s going on in the world around us ;) We hope you tune in and enjoy! If you’ve got a second, we’d love for you to rate and review our podcast! And as always, good luck surviving motherhood! Get bonus content on Patreon Ho...

Love and Dating S2, E23

February 03, 2020 11:00 - 29 minutes - 27 MB

In today's episode we go way back and talk about our dating days. We discuss what we wish would we would have known, what we thought was so important, and why we're glad we're not dating now! Head over to instagram and give us a follow or check out our website for more info. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Organizing in the New Year with Paige S2, E22

January 27, 2020 11:00 - 32 minutes - 29.3 MB

On this episode we talk with Paige from @shepardorganizingsolutions. She gives her her best tips on how to make our schedule, home and events run more efficiently and smoothly! Tune in to hear what she has to say and follow along with her to keep yourself organized in 2020! Her website is https://www.shepardorganizing.com/ and she can be found on Instagram and Facebook! We hope you enjoy and as always, good luck surviving motherhood.  Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast....

Worth It January S2, Ep 21

January 13, 2020 11:00 - 21 minutes - 20.1 MB

It’s time for a “worth it” episode! On this segment of our podcast we talk about different products, tv shows, books or recipes that we find either worth your time and money or not. For this particular episode we have 3 worth it’s (a show and 2 products) and 1 not worth it (sorry Shampoo!) Tune in to find out what they are and what we are calling worth it for 2020. If you’ve got a second we would love for you to head over to iTunes and rate and review our podcast as this helps us tremendously...

In The News January S2, Ep20

January 06, 2020 11:00 - 27 minutes - 25.1 MB

First official 2020 episode! This is an in the new episode where we talk about the person who betrayed us by removing friends from Netflix and why the world cares if Meghan and Harry’s Christmas card was photoshopped!? We also wrap up 3 of the top stories from 2019. Click to listen and let us know what y’all think! We are wishing a very happy 2020 to all of our listeners and can’t wait to bring new content this year. Happy listening!   Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acas...

End of the Year and New Year's Eve Party Chat S2, E19

December 30, 2019 11:05 - 35 minutes - 32.6 MB

It’s almost 2020! Can you believe it? In this episode, we talk briefly about how Christmas 2019 went, our New Years' plans, and what we are hoping to do better in 2020. We want to hear from you! Do you pick a word for the new year? List out your resolutions? Throw a big party to start it off right? Let us know! You can find us on Instagram @survivingmotherhoodpodcast. Don’t forget to go rate and review our podcast and help us grow in 2020 :) Happy new year!  Get bonus content on Patreon Hos...

In the News December S2. E18

December 09, 2019 11:16 - 26 minutes - 24.2 MB

It’s time for our in the news segment! In this segment we talk about current pop culture events or things people are talking about! On this weeks episode we cover our thoughts on Justin Timberlake's apology, J Lo and A Rods potential family growth, and what we think about all the live action Disney movies coming out! If you guys have current events you want to hear our thoughts on, let us know! Thank so much for tuning in, and as always, good luck surviving motherhood!  Get bonus content on P...

School and Illness, S2, Ep 17

December 02, 2019 12:18 - 30 minutes - 28 MB

Welcome back! We are so excited for you to join us! It’s December and we can’t believe it! Last week we talked about cold and flu season with our resident expert Dr Tara- but this week, we are complaining about it! This week we talk about that fine line of when to take your kid to the doctor or not, when it’s acceptable for them to be in public or not, and paying your co-pay just for the school note ;) Join our conversation and don’t forget to rate us on iTunes! ‘‘Tis the season! Get bonus co...

Cold and Flu Season S2, E16

November 25, 2019 11:21 - 35 minutes - 32.5 MB

Welcome back! This episode is our first ever three-peat guest, Dr Tara! On this episode we talk about all things seasonal . Flu shot, cough medicine, and if not wearing a winter coat can ACTUALLY cause a cold. Dr Tara wants to hear your feedback on this episode and so do we! As Tara says on the episode, we hope everyone keeps in mind that this podcast doesn’t replace a doctors visit and you should always seek counsel from your pediatrician for any concerns you have. Enjoy this episode and giv...

Worth It November S2, Ep15

November 18, 2019 11:30 - 31 minutes - 28.6 MB

Thanks for joining us! This week we talk about things that we think are worth your time or money! We cover a book called “The Five Minute Time in” by Brittany Smart, DIP nails and Minted (think Christmas cards!) Rachel also gives us all the scoop on what kind of nails we are supposed to be doing this year, and tells us her inside secret to how she gets her nail inspiration ;) We hope you’ll tune in and let us know what you think! We’d love to hear from you! Get bonus content on Patreon Host...

Holiday Season S2, E14

November 11, 2019 11:00 - 28 minutes - 26 MB

Welcome! It’s holiday season! On this episode we talk about Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas! Do you love trick or treating? Is your tree up before thanksgiving? Do you like traditional holiday meals or mix it up? We answer all these questions this week. So whether you’ve already seen the Grinch 4 times this year, or you’re all about Christmas staging in its own lane so thanksgiving can have a turn, we are so excited that you’ve decided to tune in, and hope you enjoy! If you don’t mind, ...

In the News Nov. S2, E13

November 04, 2019 11:00 - 39 minutes - 36 MB

Happy Monday! We are so glad you’re joining us to get all the scoop on current events ;) In this weeks episode, we cover our opinions on a classic Christmas song, the recent Kanye conversion, and Meghan King Edmonds latest family drama! This is your friendly reminder that these are just our opinions and we are so happy this platform allows us to give them! We hope you enjoy and have a great week! As always, good luck surviving motherhood! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See ac...

Dealing with Destructive Anger with Natalie Hixson S2, E12

October 28, 2019 10:00 - 36 minutes - 33 MB

On this weeks episode we talk to Natalie Hixson. Natalie is a life coach who specializes in helping moms over come destructive anger and burn out. Natalie walks us through how to recognize your anger and gives practical tips on how to overcome that. She gets real about things she struggled with as a mother and how we as moms are not alone! We can’t wait to hear what you think about this episode and encourage you to reach out to Natalie if you need help with your destructive anger! You can fin...

Dealing with Destructive Anger with Natalie Hixson

October 28, 2019 10:00 - 35 minutes - 33 MB

On this weeks episode we talk to Natalie Hixson. Natalie is a life coach who specializes in helping moms over come destructive anger and burn out. Natalie walks us through how to recognize your anger and gives practical tips on how to overcome that. She gets real about things she struggled with as a mother and how we as moms are not alone! We can’t wait to hear what you think about this episode and encourage you to reach out to Natalie if you need help with your destructive anger! You can fi...

Worth It October, S2, E11

October 21, 2019 10:00 - 32 minutes - 29.3 MB

It’s time for our “is it really worth it?” segment! In this segment we talk about products, places, books, etc.. and whether or not we think they’re really worth it! This week we talk about backing up your photos from your phone and a good place to store or display them, a foldable wagon, and we tell a van story that still has us laughing weeks later! (Although we weren’t laughing at the time it happened) If you have a spare second, we’d love for you to rate and review our podcast, and we hop...